Renault investigated by FIA !

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Originally Posted by truefan72

sadly that's what McClaren are counting on, and it will never stop

I wish all this stuff would go away, and that the Mcclaren fine be reduced to a nominal amount.
Then have all the teams agree on a pact that all decisions regarding spying etc, be handled in arbitration and only when it is CLEARLY demonstrated that the violationg team gained a competitive advantage and/or CLEARLY used the opponents IP in their construction to a degree that would render the components identical; and with no prior development or evolution proven by the accused team of said part that could indicate their own development of the component.

As it stands right now, all the F1 cars are more similar than dissimilar and am certain contain a good number of almost identical parts.

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Aye, it's not like Spying is a new problem, it's been going on in the F1 paddock for years. But its just when Ferrari are the supposed "victims" that all hell breaks loose it looks like.

I do hope Renault are innocent of the accusations but if they are found guilty they should be given the same punishment as McLaren.

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Originally Posted by VkmSpouge

I do hope Renault are innocent of the accusations but if they are found guilty they should be given the same punishment as McLaren.

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first and foremost it depends on what they are actually guilty off

secondly, it looks like RD and FB had some sort of gentleman's agreement from nearly 2 years ago, which has now only been broken due to the outlandish fine that McClaren got for probably a lesser infraction. Actually talking to each other and coming up with an amicable solution was the way things used to be done. Ferrari unhgappy with the resurgance of McClaren (as this was supposed to be their year) took this whole ussue to a disturbing level.


thirdly, It won't stop at Renault and Mcclaren, trust me,
other maunufactures/teams will be claiming offenses all over the place, no matter how minor and looking for a $100 mill. verdict too. Even if it half that or a quarter of that, it will still be too much for many teams on the paddock.

Thise whole spying issue is going to get much worse before it gets better, and us the fans will end up the losers in the whole affair. The fIA is not showing any strong leadership or m,odifications of their rules to clarify these situations. Instead they seem content on letting these situatiions exhaserbate

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Originally Posted by 93VTEC

HOw come Ferrari is not getting involved. This "McLaren data" could be the "Ferrari data" that McLaren was in possesion of?

The plot thickens.

Perhaps Coughlan was just a middle man, between Ferrari and Renault!

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The McLaren engineer that is supposed to have brought the McLaren data to Renault did quit McLaren last year, they didn't have the Ferrari data yet at that moment.

So why did you feel the need to involve Ferrari in this story? Care to tell us?

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Originally Posted by ioan

There are some holes in their article especially when they say that it wasn't proved that McLaren used Ferrari data, when we all know that their drivers were using Ferrari data during testing.
So yeah a "reliable" and "unbiased" source they are. :s

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That's not entirely true either. They only talked about using the data during testing. For instance the wieght distribution was considered to be so far off of McLaren's that there was no way or no point of running it on the simulator. In any event, they talked about it but never applied it.

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Originally Posted by bontebempo

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7085098.stm

this is getting out of hand and making F1 a laughing stock!

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lol.... F1 will replace racing with dramatic court hearings :mark:

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Originally Posted by raikk

lol.... F1 will replace racing with dramatic court hearings :mark:

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If you think this is bad, ask anybody about the FISA-FOCA war.

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Originally Posted by VkmSpouge

I do hope Renault are innocent of the accusations but if they are found guilty they should be given the same punishment as McLaren.

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Any leakage of data are consequence of dismissing employee, especially a high absorbility driver like Alonso. Giving punishment to team scored nothing in a season isn't commenced is like to give the punishment to person isn't awake.

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Originally Posted by ioan

The McLaren engineer that is supposed to have brought the McLaren data to Renault did quit McLaren last year, they didn't have the Ferrari data yet at that moment.

So why did you feel the need to involve Ferrari in this story? Care to tell us?

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It's the damn Ferrari bashing gene that takes over the common sense center of the brain in some F1 "fans" ;)

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Originally Posted by DazzlaF1

But its just when Ferrari are the supposed "victims" that all hell breaks loose it looks like.

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Or is it just when McLaren are caught "with their hands in the cookie jar" that all hell breaks loose?