Brexit

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

It would aid both sides to remain trading partners and allow movement of peoples. Which wont stop despite some Leave voters wanting it and Remain voters stating thats what will happen.

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If that happens what would UK actually leave? Besides leaving the decisions entirely to the other countries to make. Then they would be right to complain they have lost their independence. I'm not sure what would they leave then to get it back.

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

I hope that something good for the EU will come out of this. I never though that the EU is perfect so there's definitely place for improvements. Maybe now they'll have some motivation to make some reforms. Of course, the Leave campaign was not as much focused on the real problems as they were on all sorts of rubbish, false facts and figures and myths about the EU membership.

There is definitely the downside, mostly economic, for both UK and EU about this split but I think there's something good in it too. Britain was already barely in. They weren't really a constructive force in EU. More like the opposite. They were always the exception, always negative, always special, always opting out. I certainly won't miss their condescending attitude.

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This is a big opportunity for the eastern countries to take more control in the EU. The EU has always been a balance between France and Germany, or between north and south. Even though the UK was never a very active member they were very important for Germany and the northern camp. Brexit leaves a very big hole in Northwestern politics in the EU. I wonder if now the whole focus of the EU moves eastwards, literally turning their backs on London.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

As part of my degree I studied the 'Economics of European Integration' so I believe I was probably better informed on this debate than many other people. I know this is elitist, but I believe it to be true.

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I apologize if you felt I was attacking you specifically, that was not my intent.

I have a built in suspicion when "authorities" tell me something is true or untrue. I don't reject it out of hand, but do give it extra scrutiny. It's unfortunate that in too many instances skepticism is well warranted.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Your vote only counts once like everyone elses though..

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In Absurdistan it's a bit different. Citizens travel by bus from an election station to another in a sort of election tourism that allow them to vote on suplimentary lists. Also we find out that people who died a long time ago have currently voted. And many many other types of election frauds. :p

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

Britain was already barely in. They weren't really a constructive force in EU. More like the opposite. They were always the exception, always negative, always special, always opting out. I certainly won't miss their condescending attitude.

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We 'had' to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch... The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
- Sir Humphrey Appleby, Yes Minister.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

As part of my degree I studied the 'Economics of European Integration' so I believe I was probably better informed on this debate than many other people. I know this is elitist, but I believe it to be true.

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Oh wow. It is funny how people who have taken a course in uni think they are experts or that they somehow suddenly so well informed on the topic. This is not an attack on you, but a general thing I have noticed in life. Life experience counts far more than few worthless courses taken in uni, but it takes people a while to understand that. It is also why so many older people see young people as arrogant, who haven't paid their dues in life, yet consider themselves to know it all.

Anyway, I was surprised by this decision of brits, I expected it to close but the other way round, with Remain winning over Leave. Obviously a shock to the system and now is the time for EU to make some conclusions based on this. Can we keep on going the same way as we have done so far or is it time to think and make some changes. No matter how you try to paint it - that people who voted for Brexit are morons etc - you cannot deny that something like 15 million brits voted for "leave". That is a huge amount and shows that many people are unhappy with EU, that people are unhappy with the elite. That people are unhappy with bureacracy, immigration, economy and so on (Let's be honest, these are huge issues now and absolutley no one can deny that). Obviously, some of them were manipulated by lies and misinformation, but wasn't the same for people voting "remain"? We know well enough that most people are morons and easily swayed by propaganda and in this case, we know that there were enough morons on both sides.
As I said, this is the time for EU to rethink their policies.

As for myself, I absolutely detest the EU and the amount of useless EU officers working in Brussels, whose daily jobs consist of talking, drinking coffee and doing 25 minutes of work as slowly as possible. And I could keep on going what else I detest about EU. But sadly, the alternative is even worse. So, if I was british, I would have probably voted for "remain".

What I do find funny though, is that people who voted for "independence" of UK, might have directly contributed to the actual end of the empire.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Oh wow. It is funny how people who have taken a course in uni think they are experts or that they somehow suddenly so well informed on the topic. This is not an attack on you, but a general thing I have noticed in life. Life experience counts far more than few worthless courses taken in uni, but it takes people a while to understand that. It is also why so many older people see young people as arrogant, who haven't paid their dues in life, yet consider themselves to know it all.

Anyway, I was surprised by this decision of brits, I expected it to close but the other way round, with Remain winning over Leave. Obviously a shock to the system and now is the time for EU to make some conclusions based on this. Can we keep on going the same way as we have done so far or is it time to think and make some changes. No matter how you try to paint it - that people who voted for Brexit are morons etc - you cannot deny that something like 15 million brits voted for "leave". That is a huge amount and shows that many people are unhappy with EU, that people are unhappy with the elite. That people are unhappy with bureacracy, immigration, economy and so on (Let's be honest, these are huge issues now and absolutley no one can deny that). Obviously, some of them were manipulated by lies and misinformation, but wasn't the same for people voting "remain"? We know well enough that most people are morons and easily swayed by propaganda and in this case, we know that there were enough morons on both sides.
As I said, this is the time for EU to rethink their policies.

As for myself, I absolutely detest the EU and the amount of useless EU officers working in Brussels, whose daily jobs consist of talking, drinking coffee and doing 25 minutes of work as slowly as possible. And I could keep on going what else I detest about EU. But sadly, the alternative is even worse. So, if I was british, I would have probably voted for "remain".

What I do find funny though, is that people who voted for "independence" of UK, might have directly contributed to the actual end of the empire.

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Gary, I agree with you on almost everything here.

I too hate arrogant graduates who think they know everything. But my frustration comes from people who vote without any clue about what the EU is or what it is they are voting for. It just seems insane to me.

The most recent comment I saw on social media that made me cringe:

'If people loved the EU so much why don't they go and live there instead'

Erm...we can't now. Not freely.

I actually dislike a lot about the EU as well. But I worry now that the UK is playing a game that we can't win. I worry for my brother who is a sheep farmer and now has no idea what is income is going to be. And I hate that people who call me a traitor for voting remain may have ruined my country by voting leave.

Positives? Potentially lower property prices as a first time buyer. I work in the seafood industry, which might have the freedom to rival Norway now.

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This is definitely the most challenging period in my lifetime. I can't believe there are people out there that voted leave and are now regretting it! You should have done your homework.

What really made me cringe was when 'Good Morning Britain' interviewed Nigel Farage and asked him if £350m a week was going to now go purely to the NHS. Of course it's not you silly people! The EU have funded and been instrumental in building many projects through grants. The money we no longer donate will have to be fairly distributed.

I voted Remain.

People are completely stupid if they voted and are regretting it after 1 day..... blatant not researching or knowing what you want.