Donkey of the Race - Monaco

Is this discussion STILL going? Jeebus McChrist, everybody! Step outside and go for a walk, and all make solemn vows never to speak of this again. :beer:

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Originally Posted by driveace

How do you come to the conclusion that Lewis has had a race winning car since the start of his career ?

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I suspect it must have something to do with the fact Hamilton has at least won a race in every year since the start of his career?

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Originally Posted by easy rider

For those who think that Ron Dennis wouldn't have dropped Hamilton like a hot rock if he didn't perform all along the way, then you don't have a realistic view of Mr. Dennis.

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Why did he keep Berger for 3 years?

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Originally Posted by journeyman racer

Why did he keep Berger for 3 years?

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One reason he had Senna, and Berger was a proven commodity as a F1 driver.

Lewis on the other hand was in McLaren's driver's development program, and had to perform at a very high level, which would have seen him being dropped from the program, if their expectations from him weren't met.

Proven commodity? Proven mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by easy rider

One reason he had Senna,

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Well, I suppose Dennis could take a punt with a spud in the second seat.

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Originally Posted by journeyman racer

I suspect it must have something to do with the fact Hamilton has at least won a race in every year since the start of his career?

Why did he keep Berger for 3 years?

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Perhaps he had enough of the Senna/Prost infighting and as long as Senna and Berger got along he was satisfied. Senna won enough that McLaren didn't really need two number ones.

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Originally Posted by journeyman racer

Proven commodity? Proven mediocrity.

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Since when is 10 wins, 48 podiums, 12 poles, 21 fastest laps and 210 races mediocre
Stats that are right on par with rubens, (and he had a dominant Ferrari for 3 seasons)
SMH

I'm old enough to have watched berger race and he was a quality driver.
lousy owner & team boss though

But good at running his haulage company in Germany !

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Originally Posted by truefan72

Since when is 10 wins, 48 podiums, 12 poles, 21 fastest laps and 210 races mediocre
Stats that are right no par with rubens, (and he had a dominant Ferrari for 3 seasons)
SMH

I'm old enough to have watched berger race and he was a quality driver.
lousy owner & team boss though

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Gerhard quality but not tip top. You compare with Rubino 50% accurate, Gerhard always own man and not bend over. Good pilot.

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Originally Posted by MacFeegle

Gerhard quality but not tip top. You compare with Rubino 50% accurate, Gerhard always own man and not bend over. Good pilot.

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agreed, never said he was an all time great, but certainly had a very good F1 career...and far from mediocre

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Originally Posted by Doc Austin

Perhaps he had enough of the Senna/Prost infighting and as long as Senna and Berger got along he was satisfied. Senna won enough that McLaren didn't really need two number ones.

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Precisely, and with Berger Dennis had a number two that would have been quick enough to be the number one driver for many front-running teams including Ferrari yet who was not quite quick enough to threaten Senna AND get along with their star driver. Those were rare qualities at the time.