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You might want to reconsider this statement after looking at which countries the Russians have intervened in militarily since the breakdown of the USSR, and the longer list of countries that they've threatened to intervene in. It should be noted that Russian military intervention has often received fairly broad backing from the Russian populace.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I've reconsidered my viewpoint but haven't changed my mind.
Heard that in the Russian Federation access to websites about Ukrainian protests are blocked.
The benefits of immigration and "assimilation" shown once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Everyone knows the people on the political left are a bunch idiots, but then there is the creme de la creme. Those are the ones who keep on going about fascism and seeing every right wing party as being fascist. The most overused word in the arsenal of the left-wingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
As for Svoboda, they are very much anti-communist and have the right ideas in most aspects. If it was between Svoboda and Russia, then the choice for Europe should be more than obvious.
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Having a fascist-run state on your doorstep is still a pretty emotive issue for Russians.
You want fascist? Look no further than Russia itself with its brainwashed people.
How very sad, but then again, UK has been a pathetic shadow of a real country for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
It is a simple thing really. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Russia have sent troops into Ukraine and ordered Ukraine's military to surrender. This is purely and simply an act of war, there is no glossing over it by saying that some of the Crimea residents are of Russian origin. Russia are in the wrong.
It would be akin to New Zealand invading Sydney and demanding Australia lay down their arms, simply because we don't like the way ex-pat Kiwis are being treated by the Austtralian government.
It is time the UN inserted themselves between the Russians and the Ukranian forces, rather than standing on the sidelines. ... Yes I know the UN is a toothless entity, but at least it would show that the civilised world will not put up with bullying
Isn't that just called Bondi Beach bro'? Bondi is choice and sweet as. You know I can't grab your ghost chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield5
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Wow Rollo, didn't realise youz knew Kiwiistic langage, I am seriously impressed. As for the ghost chips add, it makes my skin crawl. :)
1. or Sweden invading Åland or Nyland and Österbotten too protect the Swedish speaking majority inQuote:
Originally Posted by anfield5
those regions if we would feel that they are being threatened by violent Finnish speaking minorities
also living there. Although that almost happened about 100 years ago which is known as the Åland crisis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85land_crisis
So Finnish people We Want those regions back!!!! Give it to us or else we'll deport Carl Bildt, Beatrice Ask
and Annie Lööf to Finland and be aware they are very good at creating a mess out of a country,
2. Jumping the gun and just sending allot of armed forces to Ukraine is not a good idea at the moment.
It could be seen as a provocation and as an excuse/proof for Putin that he was right and that the
Russians in Ukraine actually are in danger. It's better to call Putin's bluff and imo
the Ukraine government and Ukraine military are handling the situation just fine.
They are keeping their heads cool but still hold their ground without doing anything provocative.
Also the UN have sent a delegation under the "command" of deputy UN chief Jan Eliasson to Ukraine.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... raine&Cr1=
So UN is acting just not going in guns blazing before they can see for themselves what the situation is like,
Then the Swedish and Danish ministers of foreign affairs are also going to Ukraine to assess the situation.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... 1677ed2d64
I'm not neccessarily suggesting the UN send in a peacekeeping army to engage the Russians, just a presence to show them what (most) of the UN nationsa and the world think.
Yeah I understand what you mean but moving in foreign forces is imo not a good idea at
the moment although eventually it might become necessary. But at the moment sit still in the
boat and let Mr Eliasson do his job.
Reuters are reporting that many Russian in eastern Ukraine and Donetsk are now
out in the streets protesting against Putin saying that they don't need protection.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/ ... 1L20140304Quote:
But in the four days since, the tide of opinion in eastern cities appears to be turning back towards Kiev.
Bearing placards with slogans such as: "I am Russian. I don't need protection," the protesters
marched near the occupied regional government building, staying far enough away to avoid clashing
with the pro-Russian youths still inside.
"My parents are from Russia. I was born in Ukraine, but I am Russian. My children and grandchildren
were born here. We are for Ukraine," said Natalia Sytnik, who turned out to protest against the prospect
of a Russian invasion.
"We did not ask for help. I don't want him, Putin, to bring tanks here. I don't want them to shoot
at my kids. Let him hear us: 'Do not defend me from anyone. No one is attacking me'."
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Kiev says the protests - which erupted simultaneously in Kharkiv, Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk and
several other cities hours before Russia's parliament voted to grant Putin authority for armed force -
were organized by Moscow as a pretext to invade. It says most of the pro-Russian demonstrators were
Russians brought across the border in busloads.
It is certainly clear that many of Gubarev's followers are not from Donetsk, where locals speak Russian
with an easily recognizable accent. One, who said he was a miner from a nearby village, was unable to
name either the village or a single mine in a region known across the ex-Soviet Union for its coal.