Donkey of the Race

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Originally Posted by henners88

if Red Bull have built a better car this year than anyone else, why is it not managing the tyres better than the likes of Lotus and Ferrari?

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When was the last time that 'tire saving eco machine' was in the project description of a F1 car?? When was it last time that drivers cruised around aimlessly instead of going flat-out? We admired the likes of Senna for their ability to race flat-out, not for their talent to make a substandard car component last a lap longer.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

When was the last time that 'tire saving eco machine' was in the project description of a F1 car?? When was it last time that drivers cruised around aimlessly instead of going flat-out? We admired the likes of Senna for their ability to race flat-out, not for their talent to make a substandard car component last a lap longer.

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Times change and I refuse to answer this question for you again. Ask me again in a few days and then I'll answer it possibly when you ask me again a few days after that, if you are lucky.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Times change and I refuse to answer this question for you again. Ask me again in a few days and then I'll answer it possibly when you ask me again a few days after that, if you are lucky.

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Sounds like you ran out of arguments. There simply isn't any argument that makes sense of the pathetic eco-runs we're subjected to lately and you know it.

I disagree about Pirelli tires still being the donkeys. Yes, tires wear out too fast. Yes, four stops seem a bit too much. However, the tire wear is now predictable and manageable. Ferrari, Lotus, RedBull, McLaren, etc are managing tire wear just fine. The real donkey is the Mercedes car. Rosberg dropped from 1st to 6th position in the race. I think that's a good indication of what this car is capable of. And then Hamilton strategy was a complete disaster. How do you start 2nd but finish 13th? Holy cow!


Finally, Sutil's pit crew again did something weird, and Sutil didn't finish in points.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Sounds like you ran out of arguments. There simply isn't any argument that makes sense of the pathetic eco-runs we're subjected to lately and you know it.

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If that is the best response you can give or if indeed you actually believe that, I'm not going to argue otherwise. I'm not the only one disagreeing with your opinions on Pirelli so there we are. ;)

Dj Byte you need to calm the fark down with this Pirelli conspiracy crap.

No I won't. Until these apes are gone from F1 I decline to calm down.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

So the only team that "understands" the current tires is the one that supplies Pirelli's test car. And why should RB be punished for building a better car than anyone else?`If your kid would turn out highly gifted, would you prefer it to get maximum possibilities or would you prefer that your kid be dumbed down lest it makes the other kids feel bad about themselves?

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As I said in another post, the fact that Pirelli have used an old Renault as their test car is an interesting point and worth discussing. I think it entirely plausible that Lotus have gained some small benefit from their 2013 car sharing certain design philosophies with the 2010 car. What I don't find plausible is that Pirelli intentionally designed their tyres to inhibit Red Bull. I'm sorry but that's just conspiracy theory nonsense. As an aside, you still haven't addressed my point of why Pirelli should alleviate Red Bull's problems at the expense of Lotus. Do you care to address this point?

I totally reject your analogy between F1 and my children's education. At the end of the day F1 is nothing more than frivolous entertainment and if it no longer entertains me then I stop watching and have lost nothing. My children's education is vitally important to their well-being and I do everything I can to ensure that they get the most from it. The two simply cannot be compared.

Mercedes are donkeys of the race as they clearly have not gotten on top of their tire degradation from last year at all. If anything they have gotten worse.

Pirelli are the biggest donkey with the gammy rubber they provide to the teams.

the indians for screwing Sutil's race AGAIN