Humanity

The evolution of Bacteria and virus to be resistant of antibiotics is disturbing, but it was a case of when that happened not if. After billions of years it would not stop evolving just because we find a temporary killer of it.

Unless you wipe out all Bacteria (in which case everything would die anyway) you cant stop its evolution.


The real question is how we overcome the problem. Nearly every problem Man Kind has faced has been dealt with. Is this one of those, or eventually will the lack of paths into medicine development be our undoing.

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Originally Posted by ioan

We, as of those living at this time on Earth, might not be screwed but we are for sure screwing the coming generations, and I am not talking about the 20 year old blonde neighbor student. And for what? Bloody money.

I call myself a realist, and if there is one thing I learned in my short life is that there are way to many idiots living on Earth, that 80-20 % theory can be applied imho.

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You're pretty spot on with your realism , my friend , but there are a few signs that , although it has taken a long time for it to even start to sink in , people are realizing the realism of heading towards many global catastrophies .
One needs only to follow the money to the culprits driving the train toward the cliff .

It's only a tad ironic that it will be the money , the only issue that turns the heads of the masses , that dictates the turn away from oil on a global scale , because that oil will cost too much , not the environmental impact .
It's not the eyesore of seeing the oil on the feathers of the seabird , but the cost of shipping all that donated Palmolive dish soap that is so mild on the hands that it is perfect to easily remove all those un-sightly oil stains on even the softest of those downy breast feathers and bring them back to thier original sparkling whiteness .

Just like yourself , we are all becoming more and more cynical about it all .

I still have an old button from circa 1970 , that says "question authority" .
Just because they call it a "conspiracy theory" , it doesn't mean it isn't true .

And , more and more of us are coming to this conclusion .

I admit it .

I'm an optomist .
I don't believe I'm smarter , but I do believe enough of us will see some sense soon enough to save us from ourselves .

Greed has taken us down this road , and it will be greed that saves us .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

......After those ten years , I expect to be able to buy lithium batteries , ... .

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Lithium is a limited, non-renewable resource.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

You're pretty spot on with your realism , my friend , but there are a few signs that , although it has taken a long time for it to even start to sink in , people are realizing the realism of heading towards many global catastrophies .
One needs only to follow the money to the culprits driving the train toward the cliff .

It's only a tad ironic that it will be the money , the only issue that turns the heads of the masses , that dictates the turn away from oil on a global scale , because that oil will cost too much , not the environmental impact .
It's not the eyesore of seeing the oil on the feathers of the seabird , but the cost of shipping all that donated Palmolive dish soap that is so mild on the hands that it is perfect to easily remove all those un-sightly oil stains on even the softest of those downy breast feathers and bring them back to thier original sparkling whiteness .

Just like yourself , we are all becoming more and more cynical about it all .

I still have an old button from circa 1970 , that says "question authority" .
Just because they call it a "conspiracy theory" , it doesn't mean it isn't true .

And , more and more of us are coming to this conclusion .

I admit it .

I'm an optomist .
I don't believe I'm smarter , but I do believe enough of us will see some sense soon enough to save us from ourselves .

Greed has taken us down this road , and it will be greed that saves us .

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You are indeed an optimist.
At this time no matter how much I want to believe that all will turn out OK I do not see enough initiative to convince me that we, as mankind, are capable of saving ourselves. Everywhere I look it is all about compromises that are compromising our chances while the clock is ticking.

Some (a few!) bacteria may be resistant to all known antibiotics, but how is this substantially different to the last 10000-100000 years, in which humanity didn't have any pharmaceutical antibiotics?

Oh yes I forgot... air travel.... arrrghhhh we are all going to dieeeeee :eek:

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Lithium is a limited, non-renewable resource.

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Yep, to little of it available to dream about having enough of it for everyone to live Baggy's dream.
We need solutions that can allow storage of energy in another form then batteries, maybe thermal, or pressure can do the job.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Some (a few!) bacteria may be resistant to all known antibiotics, but how is this substantially different to the last 10000-100000 years, in which humanity didn't have any pharmaceutical antibiotics?

Oh yes I forgot... air travel.... arrrghhhh we are all going to dieeeeee :eek:

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In years gone by people had a very strong immune system because they were living in nature from day 1!
Nowadays everyone thinks we get immunized for everything yet we are barely immune to anything. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

How do you know we all are human beings? We speak a human language and can type and sometimes we behave like, well, human beings, but is this a proof strong enough?

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I'm a donkey and a human :andrea:

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Originally Posted by ioan

In years gone by people had a very strong immune system because they were living in nature from day 1!
Nowadays everyone thinks we get immunized for everything yet we are barely immune to anything. Go figure.

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In years gone by many were only living til day 2 !

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

In years gone by many were only living til day 2 !

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And those who outlived that day were strong enough to live a lifetime.
Nowadays we think we are smarter than nature, the result is microbiological lifeforms which are much stronger then ever.

If any of you have elder family members that are considering to stay in a hospital for anything but life-threatening issues, discourage them to do so. Their immune system might not be up to dealing with what lives in there and most antibiotics can't either.