In that case Lewis Hamilton is to be commended for cheating with his team and then complying with the FIA to get them punished. Same logic and I don't agree in either case. :s pin:
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In that case Lewis Hamilton is to be commended for cheating with his team and then complying with the FIA to get them punished. Same logic and I don't agree in either case. :s pin:
But Lewis never complied/assisted FIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
He just lied -twice- got found out, had his humiliating press conference, was punished and later inferred to FIA officials as racists in Monaco.
However I agree that Lewis tainted the sport but his entertainment value more than compensates that :D
The concept of immunity..... doen't make the snitch / wrongdoer not guilty, just absolves them of comeback. Ask Werner Von Braun or any of the other morally bankrupt recipients of american protection after WW2!
I don't dispute that, I just think that folk who think drivers who have been granted immunity by FIA should have been banned or punished are very much stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Without whistle blowers no convictions.
Thank your very much Fernando Alonso and Nelsinho Piquet
They are saying that the FIA grant of immunity is corrupt in itself. So any immunity is founded on a fundamentally flawed process. Without wrong doers originally there is nothing to whistle blow about. Turning states evidence etc has often been used as a revenge device in the past and will be again!
Hopefully Karma will get even with Fred if nothing else does!
How about when a driver states that before a race, they deliberately intend to knock someone off at the first corner; then deliberately do so and telemetry shows not even the slightest bit of backing off?
This is telling:
Driver briefing Suzuka 1990 - YouTube
If this had happened on a public road, a court would have imposed a fine, a driving and more than likely a gaol sentence.
Almost 25 years on, the fact that Senna was rewarded with the 1990 World Championship makes me mad.
Exactly. There isn't anything 'stupid' about having that stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
The car was raced in the FIA Historic F1 Championship and considering its lack of development it did show a lot of potential and apparently was quite nice to drive too!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Yeah, ...Natalie. That is exactly so. It is good luck for me and everyone else on this forum that we have someone as bright and helpful as you to help guide us miserable idiots with your amazing wisdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalie.S
Hamilton, IIRC, was not even aware of what was going on, whereas Alonso and Pedro knew everything. So don't try to equal Hamilton with the other two cheats there, he was completely innocent in this one. Alonso and Pedro were aware of everything that was going on, they knew things Ron and co had no idea about.Quote:
Fame and status had nothing to do with it, all 3 drivers (Alonso, de la Rosa and Hamilton) received immunity.
The cheaters were Alonso and Pedro (and some others). Not the McLaren team as a whole or Ron Dennis.Quote:
Without their testimony (PdlR and Fred that is) and evidence the cheaters could not have been caught.
LOL. Good one Tamb.Quote:
They did the sport a service as far as I'm (and FIA are) concerned, too bad Bernie saved Macca from expulsion.
McLaren as a team did nothing wrong, it was just poor judgment from Ron that he hired a cheat like Alonso and someone like Coughlan. Thankfully he got smart quick enough and fired Alonso after only one year.
I have never said there was proof of his guilt. I outlined the reasons why I think he was aware of what was going on in my previous post.Quote:
Hmm also the concept of proof seems lost on you.
Without proof people are not convicted in civilised countries.
The only proof in this matter was the testimony of Nelsinho and he explicitly testified that Alonso was not involved in the conspiracy.
He was one of the biggest perpertrators in the first crime. Just because his status and fame and good luck rescued him from being punished does not lessen his guilt.Quote:
Both Spygate and Crashgate did taint the sport but in the first he helped bring justice to the perpetrators and in the second he had no knowledge of the crime.
Then there is a reason to ask why was someone who was so guilty was let away with no punishment.Quote:
FIA officially thanked Fernando Alonso for his cooperation in both cases.
I personally prefer to use my own head, but I guess if I had your level of intelligence I too would never have an opinion of my own.Quote:
I think I'll go with the FIA rather than with some poster with a chip on his shoulder about Fred :)
Yes, thank you cheaters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalie.S
Thank you for not coming clean with the evidence at once, but rather waiting and then trying to use it to your own advantage and for revenge.
Let's not forget that the whole McLaren affair had already died down and Alonso, being his honest self, had said NOTHING to anyone. He could have alerted the World Motor Sport Council. Did he? No. Yeah, he was a saint. Then he tried to blackmail Ron into making him the nr.1 McLaren driver (slower, but nr.1..yeah, good idea), but Ron alerted Mosley. Now if Mosley hadn't been busy being punished by naughty girls, he would have insisted that Alonso and Pedro both get punishment as well, but he thought otherwise. The status and fame of Alonso rescued him.
Piquet was not exactly honest himself, only coming clean when Briatore dropped his sorry ass from the team. Before that he did nothing, only obeyed to get his seat. What a pathetic character in many ways. Weak.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
There are, on occasions, very good reasons for granting someone immunity from prosecution, if otherwise important evidence relating to a far more serious offence would simply not be produced. However, I can think of no justification for granting such immunity in sport, which is, we would all hopefully agree, not of great importance when compared with those criminal cases where immunity is offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory