another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

We cherish and live FREEDOM. You guys not so much.

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Ah yes, putting things in capitals: it gives your words so much more weight and seriousness, Tony.

Let's not forget, you are a man who either came to Europe with a firearm not licenced for use in the countries in question, or lied about doing so.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Costas is an idiot. By what standard does a sports reporter, and not a very good one either, have standing to comment on these things? Above the right of every citizen to free speech that is.

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To put it another way: what right does he have to remain silent on the matter? Or, what standing do you have to comment on these things?

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Originally Posted by Roamy

It would take 10 connecticut's to equal one Spain.

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Not a valid analogy Roamy... when have 200 schoolchildren been shot dead in their classrooms in Spain? :cornfused:
1.1 Oklahomas maybe, but this is beyond crazy.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Not a valid analogy Roamy... when have 200 schoolchildren been shot dead in their classrooms in Spain? :cornfused:
1.1 Oklahoma's maybe, but this is beyond crazy.

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well try the train bombing and BTW is an adult life better to take??

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Originally Posted by Mark

That's your choice but I do think that we practice 'freedom' in a different way that's all.

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I am sure you are in a country that doesn't have freedom of speech or expression so how would you even know what Freedom truly is?

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Originally Posted by Roamy

well try the train bombing and BTW is an adult life better to take??

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You're not making any sense. What's a train bombing have to do with a gun-wielding lunatic? I thought that the train bombing in Madrid had to do with the ETAs, and I don't think the perp here in Connecticut had anything to do with a terrorist organization.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

I am sure you are in a country that doesn't have freedom of speech or expression so how would you even know what Freedom truly is?

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I'm not sure what you're ranting about here. If Mark didn't have the ability to freely express himself, then there wouldn't be a post by him here on his forum, which he runs independently from state control.

I think Mark was just stating that he doesn't need a gun to demonstrate his 'freedom' within the UK.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Ah yes, putting things in capitals: it gives your words so much more weight and seriousness, Tony.

Let's not forget, you are a man who either came to Europe with a firearm not licenced for use in the countries in question, or lied about doing so.

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As I said many times before. The rights of the individual supersede those of the state. I have a moral right to be able to protect myself, my family and my property. Nothing as criminal and immoral as a government disarming the public will stop me from exercising that right.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

As I said many times before. The rights of the individual supersede those of the state. I have a moral right to be able to protect myself, my family and my property. Nothing as criminal and immoral as a government disarming the public will stop me from exercising that right.

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What worries me more in USA is that our local police forces are being militarized. I don't think our 2nd Amendment rights are in peril whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

As I said many times before. The rights of the individual supersede those of the state. I have a moral right to be able to protect myself, my family and my property. Nothing as criminal and immoral as a government disarming the public will stop me from exercising that right.

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Tony, whenever you write on this subject, you come across to me and many others as quite mad — certainly, not as someone I would trust with a firearm near me.

Oh, and I still don't believe your story about your European visit in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Oh, and I still don't believe your story about your European visit in the slightest.

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Shed some light on this? Sounds familiar.