Exactly. The issue is that people and society generally got to the point where price is the only thing that matters. A rather sad situation IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
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Exactly. The issue is that people and society generally got to the point where price is the only thing that matters. A rather sad situation IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
That’s far too general, and somewhat offensive ioan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It’s priorities that dictate the POV you mention.
For example, I too am willing to generally pay a little more for products that have been produced in a more environmentally friendly manner, however with a family of 4 to support, I need to limit family spending as a priority. I’ll buy the less expensive toothpaste from Wallmart rather the more expensive “organically” produced stuff that may help save a tree.
For many, limitations of personal finances govern their consumer choices.
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Originally Posted by ioan
And what makes a better place is all a matter of POV as well.
You might think that some "Green" product is better but I prefer to support businesses that create jobs which puts food in people's belly's and medicines in the cabinet.
Then there is the matter of protecting one's self. Why should I spend money on one product because somebody like You or Al Gore says it better for the earth when I can by a similar and probably better product for less money which is beneficial to what is more important to me?
What I try to do is avoid products that are heavily subsidized by taxes taken from the Productive. I despise cronyism!
The difference is that I am looking at it from the side I see as reality and what major companies do. I work for a brokerage that represents major brands and there is in fact product savings through efficiency in larger production runs. This doesn't mean I support this as the only model, it's just the reality for most common consumer products that the masses buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I can however fully agree that there are times price alone should not be the deciding factor and doing what you think is personally right is the way to go. I do the same myself in dealing with certain purchases. Though most of us can't always do what is socially or morally right due to limits of budget, even if we do it when we can it might influence the market. If you haven't already checked it out you might want to check out the site on Race Aficianado's signature lines. http://www.thehungersite.com
Having said that I now more than ever wish I could enjoy veal for dinner. It's one of the things I draw the line on, even if it's a "dumb animal" that suffers. But even though I love the taste of it, I won't ever order it.
Protective one's self is a short sighted view with a very bleak future.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I do not have kids, I hope I will have in a few years though, however I am trying to do my best for them to enjoy life just as I did when I was a kid living on a farm in the mountains close to the nature.
I believe that we have a moral obligation to live a life as good as possible conditioned however by making sure that our children and grand children will inherit a world that is at least as good as the one we have got from our parents and grandparents.
This is my most important principle in life.
PS: producing better quality products that cost more but also are more environmental friendly does not mean that there will be less work, au contraire it means that more and better quality work is needed to ensure that the product meets the highest quality we expect to get.
I understand you views on the whole situation and also that you did look at it from a realistic POV.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I also understand that most people sadly can rarely, if ever, afford to do what is morally and socially right.
On the other hand I think that there won't be a change in better as long as we do not try to tip the balance as much as each of us can.
PS: there is no such thing as a 'dumb animal', it's another live being that dies to feed another one. IMO opinion what's important is that we should only kill animals when we really need them to feed ourselves and not in order to make a habit out of eating good meat daily just because it is cheap nowadays. However i think that this is a theme for another thread to discuss if it is or not morally right to eat meat and if yes then what is appropriate behaviour and what is not.
I did not mean to offend anyone however some things have to be said even if they are not politically correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
I fully understand what you mean. I've had very hard times in my life as a student when I could barely afford the cheapest food and walked for hours as I couldn't afford to pay the bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
History has proven that idea very wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Even to suggest this totally removes any moral standing you might have maintained in this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I don't think ioan's comment is offensive at all — after all, aren't you, in effect, agreeing with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
For what it's worth, I mix and match — with foodstuffs, I make as much effort as I can to buy genuinely organic produce, and from local suppliers. The shops you buy such items in are far nicer and it doesn't cost so much more. For household supplies like toothpaste, washing-up liquid and so forth, I'm perfectly happy with buying them in a supermarket for price reasons.
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Maybe you might like to expand on this by providing specific examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop