Maybe you might like to explain why you don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Maybe you might like to explain why you don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
well the second part makes no sense... FIA afraids the wrc becomes popular in case someone asks to buy it and they sell it ??? well guess what... THEY DO NOT SELL IT !!! and they become rich by having the best motorsport under their control....its called learning from their mistakes....
On the first part...legal issues do not let me reply...
The FIA is a not a commercial body, they do not have the expertise to run a sport. They know this, and that's why they sell / lease championship to proper commercial entities.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
One could argue that F1 got so popular because it has always had a promoter with total commercial control. this then allowed the FIA to benefit from the 300 million after someone else had done the hard work.
The WRC has always remained a political football for things like the calendar control, which they have never given to anyone else. Perhaps that is why the sport is in the position that it is. No ability for someone thinking with a straight mind to chose well run events or take the sport more quickly to where the money is.
Do you think a proper promoter would have chosen Jordan over Abu Dhabi? Would many of the other poor events like Sardinia or others still be on the calendar. Would RallyGB have been allowed to fester the way it has in recent years other than for the influence of the some of the MSA political elites in the FIA?
As for the first part, this is all on public record. I can't for the life of me conceive why you think you would be so influential or knowledgable as to have any information that would cause any legal concerns.
Put up, or shut up, as they say.
Agree with the first part, but not the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The sport isn't as big or successful as everybody in it thinks. As such, they need to cut their cloth accordingly.
There's no way they will/or can leave the FiA....And anyway, the FiA don't promote or run Motorsport, they govern it. Remember Max selling the 99 years rights to F1 for a pittance - and gave away any rights over the calendar. Which is why they still have the final say on the WRC calendar.
how many non profit organisations do you know who are just that ??? Lets leave it there...Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
they do not have the expertise to run the sport but they have the expertise to govern it ?? hmmmmm
The word 'expertise' can only be loosely used to describe the FIA ;)
When I say 'run' a sport, I mean promote. To commercialise, to grow. This is what Bernie has been able to do to F1 with the hands-off approach taken by the FIA (when I say 'taken' I of course mean 'forced on them by contract'!).Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Why was the IRC able to grow so quickly in it's first few years? Because it was fully in the control of a commercial promoter who could pick and choose the best option for their business plan. It's how they were able to take Monte away - they could say to them 'do what you want'.
That's never been allowed in the WRC.
To chose Abu Dhabi over Jordan? Ask Malcolm how his budget is without the money from Abu Dhabi. Did't they leave because they got dumped off the calendar twice because of politics inside of FIA? How is that good for the sport? That must have been many millions leaving.
Sardinia might be a good event (it wasn't when I went a couple of years ago, you wouldn't have even know the event was on) but surely San Remo would be better?
Now as for Wales Rally GB. I have been to that event many times as it is my 'local' and it is terrible. last year was a disgrace in terms of Service Park and promotion. Especially considering what they charge for tickets.
My relatives had the same feeling when they attended Rally NZ in the first half of 2000sQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
So why isnīt WRC "fully in the control of a commercial promoter who could pick and choose the best option for their business plan"? FIA just should set the rules or maybe even not that. But running WRC doesnīt seem to be a ggod work for them.
(Are we a bit of topic now?)
The FIA is not allowed to be a commercial body. This has been well established in the '90s. They are only allowed to govern, the commercial activities are to be undertaken by a promotor or the organisers themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
This is not what actually happened in history. And still, the WRC had a promotor for more than 10 years now and it only went downhill since.Quote:
One could argue that F1 got so popular because it has always had a promoter with total commercial control. this then allowed the FIA to benefit from the 300 million after someone else had done the hard work.
Just look at the demands the FIA places on organisers. You can be absolutely sure every event is as safe and wellrun as possible. The event may not be well promoted, but again, that is not the FIAs job but the organisers.Quote:
The WRC has always remained a political football for things like the calendar control, which they have never given to anyone else. Perhaps that is why the sport is in the position that it is. No ability for someone thinking with a straight mind to chose well run events or take the sport more quickly to where the money is.
Do you think a proper promoter would have chosen Jordan over Abu Dhabi? Would many of the other poor events like Sardinia or others still be on the calendar. Would RallyGB have been allowed to fester the way it has in recent years other than for the influence of the some of the MSA political elites in the FIA?