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In the US, guns are freely availiable and in the UK, they are not. You are 4200% more likely to die as a victim of gun homocide in the US as we are in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
That's stupid isn't it? You 'innocent' legal gun holders in the US are the victims and you have our pity. No arguement, no point scoring or anything. I just feel a bit sorry for you and you're generally too blind to see it.
It's still legal to shoot a Welshman with a Bow and Arrow within the city of Chester after midnight.
As it's St Davids day, I'm off to do my good deed for the day :D (Sorry Garry, you're first :D )
No, it's just an example that times change and constitutions should change with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Is that Welsh for "my hovercraft is full of eels"?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Do you think that if the US was to completely outlaw guns today, that the homocide rate will change one iota?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Let's take a look at Switzerland.
Guns in circulation = 1.2-3million, population = 7.6million, ownership % = 16-40%
killings or attempted killings 34
percentage of population = 0.0004%
Now let's compare that to the US
Gun Ownership and Use in America
ownership = 30%, about the same as Switzerland percentage wise
population = 311million
killings or attempted killings (from your post) = 75684,
percentage of population = 0.02%
Therefore you are much more likely to be involved in a gun crime in the US than Switzerland even though the percentage of gun ownership is about equal percentage wise in both countries. Perhaps it isn't the guns that are the problem?
Which is the very reason that the U.S. Constitution incorporated the amendment process in the first place, to accommodate the changing requirements of the nation as it evolved with time. An Amendment can be dropped just as it can be adopted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Interesting statistics here on private firearms ownership in the U.S. based on a national survey conducted in 2004:
The US gun stock: results from the 2004 national firearms survey -- Hepburn et al. 13 (1): 15 -- Injury Prevention
A few tidbits for those who can't be bothered to read the entire article:
"...38% of households and 26% of individuals reported owning at least one firearm. This corresponds to 42 million US households with firearms, and 57 million adult gun owners. ..."
"... A clear pattern that has emerged over the past several decades from these surveys is a persistent decline in household gun ownership..."
"...estimated that there were 192 million working firearms in the US in private hands. ..."
"... When respondents were asked, “What is the one most important reason that you own a handgun/long gun?” the most common response among those who owned a handgun was for self-defense (46%)..."
Yep, plus all those that will never admit that they have their own stock pile because they have no legal permits for them. So many "hoods" are armed and loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
Not to turn this into a history lesson but a bit of googling reveals that the U.S. population in 1790 was approximately 3.9 million including ~700,000 black slaves, or 18% of the total.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Switzerland and the US aren't directly comparable. For a start Americans only own guns through choice. Many Swiss don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34