Kimi! Yeah (Raikkonen confirmed at Renault)

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30th November 2011, 11:35
Ranger

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Originally Posted by henners88

Kimi was in a team he knew were pushing him out at the end of the season.

If that affected his performance I'd be pretty concerned.
30th November 2011, 14:43
jens

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Originally Posted by 52Paddy

If Lotus start off on the same foot in 2012 as Renault did in 2011 then I expect it to continue further and develop more successfully with Kimi's input, as opposed to fading away like the morning dew during 2011.

Let's be realistic for a moment now. Renault team has already admitted that the FEE concept was a failure, because it was inefficient for upgrade packages and they already had an experienced driver like Heidfeld on board to help with development. To think that Räikkönen would have magically managed to develop the car, doesn't make sense.
30th November 2011, 18:15
52Paddy

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Originally Posted by jens

Let's be realistic for a moment now. Renault team has already admitted that the FEE concept was a failure, because it was inefficient for upgrade packages and they already had an experienced driver like Heidfeld on board to help with development. To think that Räikkönen would have magically managed to develop the car, doesn't make sense.

You do have a point in retrospect. Kimi isn't a man who I've ever considered a good development driver. I guess I was just basing my opinion on the back of his experience. Also, I was unaware of the failed FEE concept - I must have been asleep all year :p : I simply thought their performance petered off. Fair point though I still expect they will have a better year than 2011 - even if not as exceptional as I first remarked.
30th November 2011, 18:18
52Paddy

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Originally Posted by kfzmeister

If you listen to his video above, you'll hear him say it!

Cheers lad. Missed the video altogether - I really am asleep these days :mark:
30th November 2011, 19:22
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by jens

Let's be realistic for a moment now. Renault team has already admitted that the FEE concept was a failure, because it was inefficient for upgrade packages and they already had an experienced driver like Heidfeld on board to help with development. To think that Räikkönen would have magically managed to develop the car, doesn't make sense.

I agree. Räikkönen is not a magician when it comes to car development. However, he will get the most out of the car. The same really cannot be said about Petrov who is still an unknown quantity. I'm sure that Renault's tally this year would have been better with Kubica on board and that's the reason they signed Kimi. Kubica is a known quantity, so is Räikkönen.
30th November 2011, 22:53
ioan

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Yep, Massa had more points but as a whole they were quite evenly matched. Anyway, by 2009 Räikkönen had fallen out of favour at Ferrari and we know what happens after that. Just look at Massa's performances after he was relegated to a left-over man.

I just presented the bare facts, you first say yes it's true but... fill in subjective view...
Back to Bezza's point, what is so great about beating Fisi and Badoer after being hung out to dry by Massa?
30th November 2011, 22:55
ioan

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

I agree. Räikkönen is not a magician when it comes to car development. However, he will get the most out of the car. The same really cannot be said about Petrov who is still an unknown quantity. I'm sure that Renault's tally this year would have been better with Kubica on board and that's the reason they signed Kimi. Kubica is a known quantity, so is Räikkönen.

Kubica is a known quantity? I beg to differ.
Raikkonen is a known quantity? Again, based on what exactly?

Kubica doesn't even know if he can driver a F1 car again.
Kimi didn't drive and F1 car for 2 seasons, and he's never been a known quantity for anything else but his don't care attitude.
30th November 2011, 23:23
Koz

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Originally Posted by ioan

Raikkonen is a known quantity? Again, based on what exactly?

Based on what?
Being a champion?
Being runner up twice?

Kimi didn't drive for two seasons... How many seasons did your Uncle Mike not drive for? :o
1st December 2011, 01:38
aryan

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Originally Posted by ioan

Kimi didn't drive and F1 car for 2 seasons, and he's never been a known quantity for anything else but his don't care attitude.

Well, there are those of us who still remember things such as Suzuka 2005.

For all the hoopla around him, Vettel is yet to show a performance like that.
1st December 2011, 08:07
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by ioan

I just presented the bare facts, you first say yes it's true but... fill in subjective view...
Back to Bezza's point, what is so great about beating Fisi and Badoer after being hung out to dry by Massa?

More bare facts, Räikkönen outqualified Massa more often than not in 2009 before Massa's accident. Anyway, haven't you and I discussed this particular thing quite thoroughly in the past. :p : It's good to see him back but I really don't think he is going to get along with Bouillier.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Kubica is a known quantity? I beg to differ.
Raikkonen is a known quantity? Again, based on what exactly?

Kubica doesn't even know if he can driver a F1 car again.
Kimi didn't drive and F1 car for 2 seasons, and he's never been a known quantity for anything else but his don't care attitude.

He is a WDC plus two-time runner up at only 32. You don't lose your ability overnight at that age. Kubica WAS a known quantity when they hired him, sorry about using the present tense.

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