Unemployed young

When I left uni i took a sales job first and then started doing agency admin type work to get some experience in various places whilst I found a "career" type job. I was never out of work for more than a few days when I was looking for work. One of the admin jobs became a permananet commercial assistant role and I stayed with the company working up to a Snr QS over the next 8 years working in various offices around the country, and did a 2nd degree part time funded by the company.

The company went bust 2 years ago and I was made redundant, I had to fund the final year of my degree myself and was out of work for just a few weeks, I turned down one job and took a consultant position which I am still doing now. I could have walked into plenty of lower paid jobs had I wanted if I was desperate for the cash but was able to find something quickly enough that wasn't a problem. The Job Centre were pretty useless, but there was loads of work available to those with avergae qualifications for average money, yet from what I saw it was easier for most people to come up with excuses why they couldn't do various jobs and stay on the various benefits.

I am not surprised that it is tricky for young people to find work at the moment as there are less jobs about, but the fundamental problem seems to be that the out of work don't want the work that is available and don't have the absolute minimum basic qualifications but the highest expectations andfeel they have a right to something they have done nothing to earn. For sure there are some very concientious and hard working youngsters also struggling to find a proper job as they are lacking experience. For these guys I can only suggest they get out there and take agency work, part time work or whatever gets them in the door and gives them a chance to learn, to impress and to gain some experience. That unfortunately far too much for a decent proportion of unemployed youngsters.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Education education education - my bottom.

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You're right a bunch of numpties with no knowledge will produce more added value than a bunch of newbies who know more than you can imagine, but have yet to get a bit of experience with crappy managers. LOL

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

If you are a parent or youth and you don't apply to go to Uni because you are worried about paying up front then job done as you aren't up to Uni standards.

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Why shouldn't students pay for their education and greater earning potential (as long as they do a decent degree - if they choose a Mickey Mouse course then I have no sympathy for them).

Why should the dinner ladies of today subsidise the dentists of tomorrow?

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Whats a uni?

A University .Bolton I was not proposing that they get an option,that work or play they get the same benefit.If they work they get the benefit they get now plus the council pay them a amount as well,so they have more than staying and playing.Where as the ones who refuse this work would take a drop in their benefits.I also believe that if we said to school leavers that IF you are not in employment by say your 18 birthday,then you go into a youth training institute,that would be run on the lines of the army,but these youths would learn how to be builders,plumbers,sparky,s,storekeepers etc,at least they would be learning something whilst getting their benefits,AND maybe they would get off their buts,and try harder to get a job ,knowing that if they did,nt they were going to be away for 12 months at this youth training institute

I've long thought that unemployment benefit should be linked to some sort of work for the council. maybe a very basic amount that is topped up when you do shifts on the bins, roadsweeping, as part of a road works crew, gardening/doing the lawns etc etc. the same money would be paid out, but something productive would occur. Time off allowed for attending job interviews, training etc. If you don't want that sort of job then you're more likely to accept or search for something different. If you really are not wanting to work then you drop off the benefit radar.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're right a bunch of numpties with no knowledge will produce more added value than a bunch of newbies who know more than you can imagine, but have yet to get a bit of experience with crappy managers. LOL

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Hard to tell the difference really, numpties with 10 A star GCSEs and a sociology degrees much the same as numpties with zero qualifications.

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Originally Posted by MrMetro

Whats a uni?

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You are kidding yes? Or maybe not...........

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Originally Posted by driveace

Bolton I was not proposing that they get an option,that work or play they get the same benefit.If they work they get the benefit they get now plus the council pay them a amount as well,so they have more than staying and playing.Where as the ones who refuse this work would take a drop in their benefits.I also believe that if we said to school leavers that IF you are not in employment by say your 18 birthday,then you go into a youth training institute,that would be run on the lines of the army,but these youths would learn how to be builders,plumbers,sparky,s,storekeepers etc,at least they would be learning something whilst getting their benefits,AND maybe they would get off their buts,and try harder to get a job ,knowing that if they did,nt they were going to be away for 12 months at this youth training institute

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Would never happen, just think of the HSE crap needed to have a load of unemployable layabouts with chainsaws! As they get so much to not work it means they won't get out of bed for less than 15k or more, as if they did they are worse off re rent etc.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Thank you for insulting those of us with degrees. I obviously proved eminently employable fresh out of university, as do many other people.

Do you yourself have a degree?

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Yes I do, earned while I was working because my mom could not afford to send me to uni, she battled jut to put my brother and I through high school.

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Originally Posted by Drew

If you don't mind me asking, what line of work are you in? Just curious.

When I finished university I looked for a job at home. I can speak 4 languages and where I live most people aren't even able to speak English haha, so I assumed I had a good chance and that I had little competition. As it turns out I couldn't get a job anywhere, because I didn't have experience.

Unemployed people straight out of university expect a good wage and companies are unwilling to train new people!

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We manufacture large generator systems for hospitals, malls, airports etc. We also manufacture a wide range of custom construction equipment and distribute to the lawnmower industry etc in Southern Africa, Tanzania etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Surely it depends how relevant the work experience is?

How did the person who went into work straight after high school gain relevant experience without needing to be trained?

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They get experience by working for free to get the experience and then apply for a job with the same company or another one. We call the appys (apprentices) over here. Experience beats a piece of paper any day and I stick to that policy. It has worked very well for me :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

You have a rather shortsighted employment policy. :down:

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Actually, it is a great policy. It has worked very well. My employees are also incentivised and are paid well which is why they generally don't complain or threaten to leave for another company. New employees are also able to be productive within a few days as they have some work experience. I got tired of hiring "qualified" people who took 6 months to get up to speed then wanted to take that experience gained to another company :down: