I like that your still there to smell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
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I like that your still there to smell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Still? Are you implying that I've read the first 3 pages of the thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by i_max2k2
I think his "tool" research is keeping him busy. I fully expect him to be back soon enough though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Garry?Quote:
Originally Posted by i_max2k2
Schumacher's obvious problem is his qualy pace, but his racepace is very fine and he is generally quicker than Rosberg. But he obviously needs to pick up his pace in qualifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
No lap dog? Remind me how many wins did DC have to give up for Mika?Quote:
Given that he had extra DNFs and incidents, and the difference in the points table wasn't huge at year end, I'd say it was just a one-off for Mika. DC was thoroughly outclassed the following three years, and that too without a lap-dog contract.
DC also later has commented on how Ron behaved towards him and how he was towards Mika. People bitch how Ferrari was Schumacher's team, well, McLaren was just as much Mika's team.
The Ferrari was the 2nd best car of the year, but it was not as quick as the McLaren. You have yet to answer me, do you think Ferrari was quick as McLaren in 1998?Quote:
Yeah, the 1998 Ferrari was an absolute piece of horse poo. But Magic Schumacher almost won the championship in it. Meanwhile, another all-time great, Eddie Irvine, troubled the explosive DC for 3rd place in the driver's table with the same horse poo 1998 Ferrari. How lucky Ferrari really were to have such amazing two drivers!
So Ferrari concentrated on the end of season, while McLaren had brought their developments already earlier?Quote:
No, but they brought the most significant upgrades right towards the end when it mattered the most, just when Mclaren were catching up. Besides, you forgot to comment on the fact that Bridgestone also started bringing tyre compounds to races in 2000, which suited Ferrari, which pissed off many teams, and hence the majority jumped when Michelin entered the sport.
I remember Newey claiming that the tyre compounds that were brought to Monza were suiting McLaren just fine and he had no problems with Bridgestone.
Of course the reality is that in the last 3 races of 2000, McLaren was the quicker car in all of them and that was the case for pretty much every race of that year.
He was supposed to think and not put his car in a place where there never was any room to begin with. He should have just slowed down a little and tried to get as good exit as possible for the following straight. He went for a move that had 0% chance of working.Quote:
Exhibit A: The most biased a fan can ever be. What was Damon supposed to do behind the limping Benetton? Stay in the tow and ruin his own race? Damon's front left was right alongside Schumacher's sidepod, and he still turned into him. What, his mirrors suddenly stopped working or his brain stopped processing because of the shunt before?
LOL.Who did Maldonado win his title against, how many years did he spend in GP2 before winning it?Quote:
Maldonado the GP2 champion, same as Nico Rosberg, the GP2 champion. The difference is one is making a once lap-dog look rather impressive, and the other is making the "greatest" look rather ordinary. :laugh: The difference in Rubens and Michael's age is only 3 years, but I guess Michael is already too old for Formula 1. LMAO.
Schumacher has 'motion sickness'Quote:
Link from a proper and credible source?
Anthony Davidson also said it on TV last year.
Oh yeah, ROC is the same as F1 LOL.Quote:
Can't be too bad. He did very well compared to Vettel at ROC last year, didn't he, going against regular drivers. Oh, but when it comes to F1, he is too old. :rolleyes: Do you think Mercedes would still be risking it with a senile has-been just for sponsorship money? I'm pretty sure he passed all the prerequisites and only then made the comeback and thought he could do well. Stop with the excuses. This is the first time he's been on equal footing with a teammate since his Ferrari days, and is being shown the way.
LOLQuote:
Kimi Raikkonen. Oh, I don't know, Pastor Maldonado. :p 2010 GP2 champion. Daniel Ricciardo, Paul Di Resta, Kamui Kobayashi. All would make much better use of that seat than MS, and make more sense for the future for Mercedes.
The only one from that bunch who is a serious prospect is Di Resta, the other three are nobodies.
I will not comment on Kimi, except I hope he will be back in F1 and it is a loss for F1 that he left for 2 years.
Please do not bring up those retards, they are a disgrace and they should be removed from gene pool. No sane fan of any driver will ever claim that.Quote:
Yet we have some Schumacher fans (not you) claiming not so long ago that he has a mechanical engineer degree and that he sets up and tweaks the car himself. OMG.
He is a fully qualified mechanic, though, but obviously F1 cars are a bit more complicated than your average Fiesta.
If you remember correctly? Well, bring examples then. Jens already has said that he doesn't remember those super starts you talk about. MS had plenty of bad starts that year and if they had had LC, that wouldn't have happened.Quote:
I'm not gonna go Google every start from those years. I have something called "work" to do, you know? IIRC he had some weirdly good starts and amazing traction out of corners, which Senna noticed when following him, and it made his doubts even clearer when he saw his starts. Of course, I do not recall every single race start from 15 years ago, but that doesn't change the fact that that jump from 3rd to 1st wasn't a bit too much.
Did they?Quote:
Did they have to change the bargeboards? Yes.
What is the point of those links? The 2nd link contains wrong information btw.Quote:
So now you are not claiming Benetton had TC anymore? Good, that is where we wanted to reach.Quote:
Of course none of these prove a 100% that Benetton were cheating, but the facts are there for everyone to see. They found the hidden option 13 to activate launch control. Why didn't Benetton hand over their access codes to the FIA when Ferrari did? Even Ross Brawn admitted in later interviews of the car having the mysterious option 13. Not only this, Benetton were again to the stewards for an illegal fuel hose and later, ride height.
Yes and no.Quote:
Illegally overtaking Damon on the parade lap and then ignoring the black flag, and weirdly worn out plank underneath his car suggesting illegal ground effect producing more downforce, was it?
Did they? In anycase, 5 independent judges ruled in favour of Ferrari. Case closed. A simple misunderstanding, something that has happened in F1 many a time.Quote:
Yes, because all disqualifications and cheating allegations are born out of thin air and have no technical data supporting them, and FIA are just a bunch of muppets. My barber can do a better job. Why did Ferrari change their bargeboards then?
Maybe they didnt know. But even if they did, you do realize it is up to them when to bring such cases up?Quote:
Yeah, Bridgestone and Ferrari knew every technical detail for two years, but didn't bother with it until the Michelin teams became competitive and started beating them. Why wasn't this brought to the FIA's attention sooner? Or were they sleeping?
Of course you will also agree that Michelin were cheating.
LOLQuote:
Only this year. Last year he was thoroughly bludgeoning the "greatest ever" (LMAO) in qualifying and races. Only recently his race pace is suffering, but he's still owning Schumacher in qualifying, 12-2, and is still ahead in the points table. Who would have thought, a GP2 champion, nobody in F1, easily beating Schumacher. This is the greatest hero stories of our time. They should write a book about it. Oh wait, or maybe Schumacher wasn't this great all along?
F1 and MMA are very different sports, even someone like you will know that. Due to that no comparison can be made. For example, how much did MMA technology and rules change in the last 5 years?Quote:
Nobody said anything about darts. Ever heard of UFC, or just MMA in general? Up until a few months ago, Randy Couture, at the age of 48, was mixing it up with guys 20 years his junior. Agreed that he sucked, but he wasn't that great ever anyway, has 10 losses in his career, but he did beat much younger guys. There are other fighters around the same age level that are still doing well in other organizations. At the highest level of MMA, fighters have to train their necks the same was as F1 pilots do, to withstand impact from punches, kicks and knees. The rest of their body is undoubtedly stronger than an F1 driver's. Schumacher's age is just becoming a lousy excuse by his fans who can't seem to digest the fact that 5 of his 7 championships were won in the best car in the field. He was in the right car at the right time, that's it.
Well, tough luck. F1 is not about drinking tea together, but fighting hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
LOL. Too dumb to comment on.Quote:
As for TC in 1994, having only launch control doesn't mean they didn't have TC. Teams found innovative ways to use LC as TC, even by engaging the pit limiter in corners, so it wouldn't surprise me if Senna was right about the Benetton having TC.
Yes, he has been punished for complete nonsense this year and he is not the only driver to have suffered. In addition to that, they have made overtaking a joke and too easy with DRS, which will hurt those drivers who actually know how to overtake (like LH)Quote:
While we don't agree on much, I will say that the current rules are making wheel-to-wheel racing almost impossible, and that is hurting pure racers like Lewis the most.
Wow, dunnell actually made me laugh. That's a first.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Again, don't put all fans of certain drivers in one bracket. Those claiming he could win in a minardi were the same people who were later in the running for Darwin's award.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Oh goody, another mental slave of mine has appeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
:s nore: Hi Garry :s nore:
Oh boy, here we go again. I know this is such a huge waste of time, but yet I keep biting. Oh well, male ego I suppose. :p
Well, he didn't show much race pace at Abu Dhabi, did he? Finishing almost half a minute behind Rosberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
How many wins did DC give up? And yeah, the poor tormented soul at Mclaren, I guess that's why DC stuck around in Mclaren until 2004, until they replaced him with Montoya. I suppose once Kimi came to Mclaren, it became Kimi's team. At least Rubens had the balls to leave Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
That Ferrari was not a bad car by any means. Hell, it even made Irvine look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Of course. Schumacher just bum rushed that Ferrari way above where it was supposed to be, and also setup the car in the night using his expert engineering degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
And I suppose it was perfectly okay for Schumacher to still turn in when the Williams was almost alongside him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Regardless of the competition, he's a former GP2 champion. And I guess Nico beat all time legends like Heikki and Scott Speed on the way to his title. LMAO! Applying the same logic to F1, who did Schumacher win 4 of his titles against? DC, Rubens, Montoya and his kid brother Ralf? LOL! Makes Vettel look like 10 times the champion Schumacher ever was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Oh yeah, a forum link and somebody's opinion is such a credible source. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
From what I recall, he had surprisingly good starts as well. The allegations weren't thrown out of thin air. If you wanna be sure, go and research every start from his qualifying grid slot during 1994 and 1995, if you have that much time! :crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Yes they did. Days that Shook the F1 World - Ferrari Bargeboard Scandal // All for F1, and F1 for AllQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Yeah, as long as it doesn't agree with what your belief is, it's obviously wrong. It's more credible than a forum link though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Never said that. Engine electronics can be mapped in a way where LC can be used as TC as well. Many teams in the late 90s were suspected to manipulate pitlane speed limiters to use as TC as well. Read up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Were the FIA sleeping all that time? They didn't check tyre width or how they change during races in three years, after how many, like almost 40+ races?!? But only when Ferrari protested, Michelin were banned? WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
If you learn more about MMA, you'll see that MMA athletes are better athletes than F1 drivers and have to work much harder and lead a more disciplined life. The necks withstand almost the same amount of punishment from punches, slams etc. They have to build up abs not for show, but to withstand liver punches, develop back muscles to withstand slams. MMA rules haven't changed much, but regarding MS and F1, a lot of people said these rules will suit him, since he drove cars with slick tyres and no TC for most of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
It's also about respecting your opponent and not blocking him/her like a bitch where you might cause an accident and endanger both of their lives. But hey, he has shown in the past he's as ruthless as they come, even almost pushing his kid brother into the wall. People may like that about him, I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Read up on it before spewing the usual garbage. I saw a short documentary on it way back, in 2001 IIRC. That showed that during the late 90s the FIA suspected that a lot of teams were manipulating pitlane speed limiters and using them to give traction out of corners. All of them were doing it, and since the FIA couldn't police it, they allowed TC back on F1 cars in 2001?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
FIA brings back traction control systems - Telegraph
His past few performances have led me to believe that he's finally getting to grips with these tyres, and next year he could take the fight to Vettel if Mclaren produce a decent enough car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I'm not going to reply everything in this messy thread, but some aspects...
DC gave up the wins of Jerez'97, Melbourne'98. Perhaps also Hockenheim'98. I remember Häkkinen had an oil leak late in the race, but DC didn't try to overtake him. I think DC was also ordered to stay behind Räikkönen in Japan'03 all race and finished right behind him. This one didn't cost him a win though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Yes, DC stuck around in McLaren for long, but so did Barrichello in Ferrari, signing multiple contract extensions in the process. Nobody likes to get beaten by their team-mate, but the reason both drivers stayed on for so long, was mainly because they didn't have good alternative options (a highly competitive team to go to). When Barrichello left Ferrari, they were having a poor season and BAR-Honda was at least promising, so it didn't seem much of a downfall. I'm not going to talk about, which team is/was more of a one-man team than the other, just mentioning that rarely are things black-and-whitish (someone is "good", other is "bad" - in this case about team politics).
I think the point about 1998 isn't that Ferrari was a "bad car", just that it wasn't quite a match to McLaren. I mean a clear second best car can never be called exactly a "bad" one.Quote:
That Ferrari was not a bad car by any means. Hell, it even made Irvine look good.
How can you be so sure about that? I thought F1 drivers are very much hard-working and living a disciplined life.Quote:
If you learn more about MMA, you'll see that MMA athletes are better athletes than F1 drivers and have to work much harder and lead a more disciplined life.