U.S. Will Withhold Funds For U.N. Agency After Vote to Grant Membership to Palestinia

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

What I find strange is that Palestine, a country that was eradicated when the Jews came to reclaim it after WWII and thus became a people without a home.

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Palestine was never a country, at least not the last couple of hundred years. Before Israel the area was part of Britain and before that the Ottoman Empire. Jews have always lived there.

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Has anyone here on this board ever been to Israel? I have not. I only reas about it. I read of atrocities meted out by both sides, but, here in the US it is always the Palestinians that are the worst. Why is that?

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Because the media always boils it down to a black/white, good vs. bad battle.

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Why was Northern Ireland any different to Palestine or allowing Palestinians some form of a country?

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Palestinians were always allowed to form a country. It's just that they did not accept any sort of 2 state-option.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

You don't get it?

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No, because you are not the best at putting coherent points across.

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Originally Posted by Lousada

Jews have always lived there.

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As have Palestinians, and even until the British withdrawal Arabs/Palestinians formed the majority.

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Originally Posted by Lousada

Palestinians were always allowed to form a country. It's just that they did not accept any sort of 2 state-option.

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The Israelis haven't wanted a two state solution either, particularly as the right wing fanatical Jews who hold disproportionately large political power wreak havoc on any party that is happy to give away the Occupied Territories.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

As have Palestinians, and even until the British withdrawal Arabs/Palestinians formed the majority.

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I never said they didn't. The poster I responded to claimed that Jews came in only after the WWII.

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The Israelis haven't wanted a two state solution either, particularly as the right wing fanatical Jews who hold disproportionately large political power wreak havoc on any party that is happy to give away the Occupied Territories.

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They don't want it anymore now, but they did want it in 1948.

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

Has anyone here on this board ever been to Israel? I have not. I only reas about it. I read of atrocities meted out by both sides, but, here in the US it is always the Palestinians that are the worst. Why is that?

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I visited Israel (Jerusalem) and The West Bank two years ago. It was a place I had always wanted to see, so on the spur of the moment I booked a flight and hotel, and arranged with the Alternative Tourism Group a couple of days in the West Bank (Hebron, Bethlehem).
When you are there you gain a small glimpse of daily life in Palestine and the Israel - it's not all doom and gloom but you cant help but sympathise with the Palestinians when you witness some of the restrictions imposed and daily encroachment of the settlements.

I would love to go back sometime, as I only managed to see a fraction of the sites I wanted to visit.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Jews who were living there at the time were, by definition, Palestinians.

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No thats way too simplistic as it depends on what type of Jew you're talking about.

The Jews who'd lived there for centuries are Arab Jews, culturally and racially very similar to their Muslim and Christian neighbours.

The British banned migration into Palestine after WW1 in an effort to prevent a demographic swing from the Jews forming a definite minority into a majority.

Despite this many Ashkenazi Jews predominantly from Europe and the US migrated into Palestine mainly using illegal methods. This trickle turned into a flood after WW2. When found by the British these guys were mainly deported to their countries of origin.

These Jews were responsible for the sudden surge in the proportion of Jews in Palestine prior to 1949, but few of them held legitimate papers for Palestinian residency and were therefore not by any means Palestinian.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

No thats way too simplistic as it depends on what type of Jew you're talking about.

The Jews who'd lived there for centuries are Arab Jews, culturally and racially very similar to their Muslim and Christian neighbours.

The British banned migration into Palestine after WW1 in an effort to prevent a demographic swing from the Jews forming a definite minority into a majority.

Despite this many Ashkenazi Jews predominantly from Europe and the US migrated into Palestine mainly using illegal methods. This trickle turned into a flood after WW2. When found by the British these guys were mainly deported to their countries of origin.

These Jews were responsible for the sudden surge in the proportion of Jews in Palestine prior to 1949, but few of them held legitimate papers for Palestinian residency and were therefore not by any means Palestinian.

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???

In 1917 the British promised the Jews (and the rest of the world) the secure settlelment into Palestine, pee-ing off the Palestinians at the time who were previously guaranteed security in exchange for fighting against the Turks.

I don’t think you can call their migration at the time illegal :mark:

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Neither did the Finns who allied themselves with Hitler until the USSR kicked their ass.....Then they became Stalin's Brown Nose Buddies!

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They were flying Blenehiems along with those Messerschmitts. I think there's some context you're missing here.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Er... surely the 'German Democratic Republic' example shows what's wrong about going entirely by the name?

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Plenty of Socialist republics could claim to be meeting the definition of a republic; it's just how far down you allow participation. Look at the Republican Party in the US. You think any of the clowns posturing for the primaries has any chance when the party hierarchy puts Jeb Bush forward as the nominee? It'll be just like Dole in 1996 and George Bush in 2000 ;)

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Originally Posted by Eki

To answer your question: No, I don't think the German Democratic Republic was that democratic. But I do think that the United Kingdom is definitely a kingdom, and also united, so what's wrong with thinking that the Palestine Liberation Organization was about liberating Palestine?

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Hang on a minute. Weren't you trying to insinuate that a Parties name somehow had some sort of special relevance to how it behaved. Then you suddenly equate the United Kingdom to this model :confused: For you information, it is hardly United any more with Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales being devolved.

I shall now apply your model to other nations. Can China be destroyed by tapping it with a hammer? Is Germany at risk from a good dose of Domestos? Is Greenland not covered in Ice and just how many Fins do you have?

No, I think this is irrelevant. Don't you?

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

I only reas about it. I read of atrocities meted out by both sides, but, here in the US it is always the Palestinians that are the worst. Why is that?

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Money talks, and Jews or other pro-Israel own much of the media? I don't know, but there must be some reason for it. In the Finnish media, it seems to be the other way around.