4 degrees of camber

It looked like RBR were told by Pirelli that the tire is not safe to be run at the camber angle they were using it, only that this came after qualifying session and not before so if RBR made a setup change were doomed for the race.
In the end it came down to a FIA+Pirelli vs RBR fight and RBR won hands down.
Anyway I'm tired about the numerous tries to slow the RBRs this season. What next? RBR drivers only allowed to drive in reverse?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Didn't the initial reports come out saying that it was Pirelli who went to Red Bull with concern , and not that Red Bull went asking the FIA about changing the camber ?
Hembery wouldn't give up the number on how much over they were .
But , Newey did .
Mind you , though , he wasn't very specific about it , at four and an eighth or so .

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As you say the reports point to Pirelli being the ones who started the battle on this one.

As for Newey not giving exact numbers, this is F1 he will keep his numbers secret as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

And did you jsut start watching F1 last week? Cause if you followed the blown diffuser nonsense of this year, you would realize how stupid you look when laughing off the realit of FIA trying to screw over red bull.

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How can you argue with this? ;)

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Last I checked, driving around a glorified piece of plastic with wheels 200 miles per hour isn't exactly a "safe" thing to do. Redbull obviously would have changed the camber if they had the opportunity to do ith without their drivers having to start from the pitlane. But the FIA painted them in a corner, and just like you expect out of people who driver 200 mile an hour pieces of plastic, they put their nuts on the table and drove with it. The reason this happened was the severe lack of dry weather testing.

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The reason this happened was because RBR were stupid.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Yes I think that was what was stated as far as who approached who. Its also been reported that both McLaren and Ferrari had blistered tyres after final qualifying and made the adjustments recommended by Pirelli. I don't know what these adjustments are however.. :)

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They would not have been allowed to make changes after final qualifying (save for tyre pressures) as the cars are deemed to be in Park Ferme.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

The reason this happened was because RBR were stupid.

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RBR won therefore RBR weren't stupid :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

RBR won therefore RBR weren't stupid :rotflmao:

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Isn't that akin to saying that the chap that drives without insurance but does not get caught is clever because of the money he saves?

We do not know the severity of the damage to the constuction of the Pirelli tyre caused by Red Bull overstepping the recommended angle, if there was damage, then they are playing roulette in terms of safety.

Until we know just what damage was being done internally, it is all just conjecture......

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Originally Posted by henners88

I must admit I don't fully understand how camber works. This is your chance big man to explain and shine. If you can explain it in simple terms I'd be grateful. :)

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In what way?

Do you mean in terms of how you adjust it or what camber itself is?

In terms of adjusting camber there are many ways to do it and it really would depend on what type of suspension you're running. With a macpherson strut on the front of a car you would generally use an eccentric bolt which when turned will alter the camber OR as below you have a top mount which the strut bolts to through the middle and as you can see, it can be adjusted.


http://www.deutschnine.com/mm5/graph...plates-03M.jpg

Now of course F1 cars don't run a macpherson strut......

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Isn't that akin to saying that the chap that drives without insurance but does not get caught is clever because of the money he saves?

We do not know the severity of the damage to the constuction of the Pirelli tyre caused by Red Bull overstepping the recommended angle, if there was damage, then they are playing roulette in terms of safety.

Until we know just what damage was being done internally, it is all just conjecture......

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See the thing is, that's illegal. As Malbec stated, the FIA limit is 5 degrees of camber so they were legal. They won so I doubt they care so you can hardly call them stupid.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

RBR won therefore RBR weren't stupid :rotflmao:

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I'll explain why you're wrong. I could go to the pub and drink 10 pints, drive home, not crash and get away with it. That doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid ****ing thing to do.

I'm not really expecting you to see this analogue but I figured I'd give it a shot.