4 cylinder turbos out, 6 cylinder turbos in (theoretically)

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Originally Posted by Robinho

Fiat, VW Group are doing 1.4 and 1.2 petrol turbos in place of 2.0l engines in Europe and can only assume this will spread. BMW are downsizing and starting to turbo charge even their "M" cars. Even the supercar manufacturers are making some slightly smaller and lighter engines. I think Ford are replacing the 2.5l and 2.0l petrol engines in the focus with 1.6's now. and they are largely getting the same or more power and better mileage. I expect you'll start to see this in S.Africa pretty soon, expecially the VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda's depending on which actually sell down there

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I think this is very true.

Anyone who's has ever heard a WRCar will know that just because it's small doesn't mean it'll sound crap.

As another example of downsizing, Alfa Romeo have replaced their 3.2 v6 engines with a 1742cc turbo engine which only puts out 20bhp less and which is obviously a lot lighter and more environmentally friendly. They've also got a 170bhp 1.4 turbo in the Giulietta which produces the same amount of CO2 as the 1.2l engine in our Fiat 500.

Progress indeed.

I do hope they go to i4's and not v6's.

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Originally Posted by Koz

But not consistently so:

2011 Spanish GP:

Pole: 1:20.981
Fastest Lap: 1:26.727

1993 Spanish GP:

Pole: 1:17.809
Fastest Lap: 1:20.989

Just over 107% :D

Quicker in Monaco this year, too though.

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Yes, but that's not a fair comparison.

The 1993 track is a smoother track to the 2011 course. If you compare the two, La Caixa is a far sharper turn now and Europcar to New Holland has a kink which never existed in the 1993 track. The new 2011 version is also marginally longer.
The Canadian GP is probably the only track to make fair comparison on, because the circuit can be altered so very very very little.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Canadian GP 1993:
Pole time: Prost 1m18.987s - FW15C
Fastest Lap: Michael Schumacher - 1m21.500s

Canadian GP 2011:
Pole time: Sebastian Vettel - 1m13.014s
Fastest lap: Jenson Button - 1m16.956s

Cars are faster now.

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Tyres, suspension, etc. have all improved.
Also, compare the GpB Rally cars v the modern WRCars - the modern WRC's are faster over a stage, yet have less power. It's called progress.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Tyres, suspension, etc. have all improved.

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We've both forgotten aerodynamics as well!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Luckily there is Le Mans and endurance racing for those who like to witness great automotive technology where the average Joe feels bored. ;)

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Wonder why ACO mandated 3.7L diesel engines...

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Are they still using carbs? Jeez, if there is a way to pi55 fuel up the wall, the yanks will embrace it with open arms!

They'll come up with a 6litre pushbike next, it will comprise a normal pushbike, but will involve emptying 6litres of unleaded on the ground - it'll be called a gas guzzler!

*this post is not serious*

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As a motor sport fan it makes a change where other categories put great emphasis on aero whereas NASCAR has more emphasis on mechanical engineering.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Personally, I’d love to see a mix of V6, V8, V10 & V12 engines. Not going to happen however. The car industry is going to small capacity turbo charged engines – Motorsport has to follow – WTCC, WRC have gone 1.6T engines, now it’s F1’s turn to follow suit.

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