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Nykaer's a decent driver. He was Danish Champion as well in recent times, so he must be a handy driver to beat the likes of Jason Watt and Jan Magnussen.
Out of those drivers Alfa Fan mentioned, I'd say only Dudakolo is a journeyman. The rest are younger drivers who have all graduated from various Seat Leon series, as did Norbert Michelisz. Just goes to show the difference between the UK and other countries, which are willing to support young drivers on the way up.
As I said, Chevy are kicking arse in the WTCC because they have (up to now, had) a superior engine! Thank you for making my point for me! Still, didn't stop Tarquini getting his head down and winning a race at Zolder (Like the quality driver he is) rather than whinging about the other cars, did it!
Anyway, back to the original point.... Do you honestly think the BTCC turbos still have an advantage over the NA cars after watching Thruxton? (Assuming you did actually watch Thruxton...)
Yes of course they do. How anyone can think they don't is beyond me? Show me one example of a turbo car being passed by a NA car on merit?
When I said "Assuming you watched Thruxton" I was only kidding but obviously you didn't!
Correct me if i'm wrong (Which I'm sure you will) but didn't Plato start from the back in race two and finish 8th? Passing 9 cars (5 of which were Turbos) on the way!?
Ok. So he got past Tony Gilham, Jeff Smith & Tom Boardman. Those are the only three turbo cars he passed after the first lap. 2 Vectras with 2 pretty erratic drivers and Boardman's SEAT, a car which has often had problems at Thruxton.
You only have to compare the results to when Plato has started at the back in previous seasons. It seems like this is your first season of BTCC? That's the only assumption that makes your posts make sense. Did you happen to look at the speed traps? I doubt it. To help inform you:
Ford Focus Turbo Sector 1 133mph Finish Line 103mph
Honda Civic Turbo Sector 1 133mph Finish Line 103mph
Vauxhall Vectra Turbo Sector 1 132mph Finish Line 102mph
Chevrolet Cruze NA Sector 1 129mph Finish Line 100mph
Those figures are averaged across all the cars of that type, removing any outliers. But all the drivers in the same cars are pretty close on speed trap figures. So consistently 3mph down on the Turbos.
I actually picked the race the non-turbos were closest to the turbos in so as to not be accused of exaggerating the case. If you look at the other 2 races the differential is more like 5mph! Pretty significant margins.
It's amazing what actually look at the data and the facts does. Instead of just jumping to conclusions because of your dislike of certain drivers, you can back up your points. I'm no particular fan of Jason's, but any fool can see from the data that the equivalence promised has not been delivered yet.
Just out of interest, did you think there was an equivalency problem at Donington? Where the turbos were consistently 5mph quicker through every speed trap?
P.S. Just for comparison, the Chevy was the fastest through the speed traps at Thruxton last year, and by a reasonable margin (faster than the LPG nitro button Fords (although it was early in the season, if Thruxton had been a latter round I think it might have been a different outcome).
You asked me to give you an example of an NA car passing a Turbo, you never said it had to be a front running podium contender (did you mention Tom Boardman)
And, at risk of repeating myself yet again... (wish you'd read the whole thread before making a dick of yourself)
So yes, I did look at the speed trap data and i'm aware Plato was a little down on top speed yet, despite that, set the fastest racing lap of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce-1980
And as for your attempt at patronisation, I've been to EVERY BTCC meeting at Oulton park since 1996... pretty much every Donnington meeting... Croft... Silverstone... Rockingham.... Even knockhill a couple of times, so recon I've got enough BTCC nouse to see you off matey! ;)
Seems to me you have a little too much man-love for Plato! Accept the fact, he aint got the best car this season so if he wants it, he's gona have to work a bit harder than he did last season!
I don't even particularly like Plato! Anyone who has been around here for more than 13 posts can see that. And btw, continuing with the personal attacks means your stay around here won't last long! For the record you were wrong about your BTCC nous too. Just to let you know.
Do you think the Vauxhall Vectra, Ford Focus and Honda Civic would be leaving Chevrolet for dust in the WTCC running the 1.6 turbos? I'm genuinely curious as to whether you believe this would be the case.
Hahaha! Woahhh! Chill out kiddo! Only a bit of banter! Thats what these forums are for aint it!
I recon if Honda entered the WTCC with a 1.6T in a couple of weeks they'd probably be a bit behind until they caught up with the development but as you know, being an avid BTCC Fan, Dynamics, Arena and 888 are a top notch teams and will always be there or there abouts!
Now if you're gona cry every time I disagree with you, you're probably best off ignoring this reply! :bigcry:
Perhaps Alan Gow might consider running a championship within a championship like they did in the days of the "Production" class (where we first met Tom Boardman), how stupid was that then compared to the silly bickering that we are getting now. If the drivers don't like it they could all join the turbo cars or get out their pipe and slippers and watch it on the telly.
No crying here. Your diverting attention because I comprehensively demolished your arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce-1980