Your opinion on 'Drag Reduction System'

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Originally Posted by fandango

...I think I saw Petrov comment that he was able to use it while passing backmarkers, which helped him defend his place (against Alonso). Perhaps this usage is not what they had in mind when they introduced the system.
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Is that permited? When passing a backmarker a driver is obviously not 1 second behind :mark: .

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Originally Posted by ioan

Fully agree!
F1 has become a show dominated by stupid gimmicks for the casual viewer who understands bugger all about motorsport.
I wonder how frustrated would some of the F1 engineers of past years in today's circus.

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In the last 10-15 years, F1 has really 'sold out' and become corporate - which has attracted millions of 'casual viewers' - who don't care for the history and traditions of the sport. All they want is action, drama, overtaking, crashes....We can't go back....sadly....

You want 'proper' Motor Racing, with varied cars, engines, designs, etc Then F1 isn't for you anymore.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

In the last 10-15 years, F1 has really 'sold out' and become corporate - which has attracted millions of 'casual viewers' - who don't care for the history and traditions of the sport. All they want is action, drama, overtaking, crashes....

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But I want action, drama and overtaking! It is precisely these three attributes that got me interested in F1 in my childhood during the 1980s. Surely I'm not unusual, or an example of the sort of person whose interest has resulted in the sport having 'sold out'?

Some people don't like team orders but I guess they know bugger all about motorsport.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But I want action, drama and overtaking! It is precisely these three attributes that got me interested in F1 in my childhood during the 1980s. Surely I'm not unusual, or an example of the sort of person whose interest has resulted in the sport having 'sold out'?

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There are people who followed F1 because of Gilles, Senna, Mansell, et al.

Computer game programming legend Geoff Crammond got back into F1 because of Hamilton

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Originally Posted by ioan

Fully agree!
F1 has become a show dominated by stupid gimmicks for the casual viewer who understands bugger all about motorsport.
I wonder how frustrated would some of the F1 engineers of past years in today's circus.

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http://www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk/...h-pat-symonds/

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

You want 'proper' Motor Racing, with varied cars, engines, designs, etc Then F1 isn't for you anymore.

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You could use that argument for other forms of motorsport.

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

That said, I don't necessarily think DRS is the best way to sort things out. When I was at testing the other week there was one thing that stood out, the braking distance of the cars. Even at the end of the straight at Catalunya Massa was braking crazy late, as in later than I would doing about 80mph in my road car (even though he's probably topping 200 there). Part of this is because he's braver than I am, but most is down to cars. If rules limit brake developments to increase braking distances then we'll actually get to see drivers awarded for being brave and braking later than their rivals, at the minute this isn't really possible. IMO this isn't as bad as DRS in trying to create racing, because it just gives back the chance for the driver to demonstrate his skill a bit more.

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I agree, brakes are a big issue. I support every development that makes it harder for drivers and demands skills.

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Originally Posted by Sonic

To Gary Walker: if you are not watching F1 to be entertained what are you watching it for?

I don't say this to troll, it's an honest question.

I think we all watch for entertainment of some sort. When I'm at the venue I don't need overtaking in shed loads - the smells, the sounds, the race craft are more than enough. But on TV, those things are muted, dulled. Watching a 90minutes procession is certainly no fun from my POV.

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I dont think I expressed myself correctly. I see F1 going down the road of entertainment in the style of WWF, with stupid gimmicks. Of course, I want to be entertained, but I mostly watch it because I have been a racing fan since before I started going to school and I enjoy seeing cars on their limit.
All such nonsense as KERS, DRS, two types of tyres you have to use every race, artificial rain, "the glamour" - those hold no interest for me.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Fully agree!
F1 has become a show dominated by stupid gimmicks for the casual viewer who understands bugger all about motorsport.

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Just the point I was trying to make.

It's been said a million billion times already but what's really needed is to get rid of the aero completely, you can still have wings if you don't want to spoil the 'look' of the cars, but make them standard and completely ineffective at generating downforce.

If you have zero aero downforce you won't be disadvantaged following the car in front and thus overtaking becomes much easier.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I agree, brakes are a big issue. I support every development that makes it harder for drivers and demands skills.

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Hmmmm, sounds like a gimmick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg-qm...mbedded#at=114

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I dont think I expressed myself correctly. I see F1 going down the road of entertainment in the style of WWF, with stupid gimmicks. Of course, I want to be entertained, but I mostly watch it because I have been a racing fan since before I started going to school and I enjoy seeing cars on their limit.
All such nonsense as KERS, DRS, two types of tyres you have to use every race, artificial rain, "the glamour" - those hold no interest for me.

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I couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

If rules limit brake developments to increase braking distances then we'll actually get to see drivers awarded for being brave and braking later than their rivals, at the minute this isn't really possible. IMO this isn't as bad as DRS in trying to create racing, because it just gives back the chance for the driver to demonstrate his skill a bit more.

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We come again to this question of whether going back on technology is necessary or desirable. Many would argue that an F1 car should be the quickest thing to go round any track used by F1 cars. This isn't necessarily a view that I subscribe to, but plenty do.