guns and their cost in lives and

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

wade is that you? :wave:
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No it is just your less than average ameriKan med pill passing psuedo doc taking his own meds....as he is much too smart to be taking meds prescribed by a real doctor

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Originally Posted by glauistean

I don't know. What do you think? :) Are you familiar with the premise that there is occasion when the most astute miss the obvious?

Never mind. You are one of those that likes to pander and post nonsense to get plaudits while unable to contribute anything of substance nor understand it when it is staring you in the face. Hence your inane post.

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Now it all makes sense.......



as my grandpa used to say back in his old double wide in the hills.......

One can teach the ignorant, but it ain't easy (sorry no reference to ED in this case), and requires patience

One can humble the arrogant, so they may learn the errors of their ways, but it ain't easy (no refrence to ED),

but .....






as to dealing with someone who possesses both much arrogance and ignorance, this sweet lady is the real doctor holding the only cure:

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Originally Posted by schmenke

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1269/...dbd39012d0.jpg

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She say, " now Guey, please say ahhhhh, and stick your tongue out...now you stick your big head up..a little higher....that is it....hold it right therre.......FORE!!!

See, boys and girls, to answer gluestein, I aint the most astute, but I never miss the obvious...."

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Originally Posted by schmenke

The flip side...

Ownership of a personal vehicle requires registration to acknolwedge responsibility for a device that has the potential to cause harm to others.

Why is it difficult to accept similar control for firearms? :mark:

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In the US that is not the case.

Anyone can own a car and drive it.

To drive it on public roads requires a license and registration but to use it on private property is totally unregulated.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The nearly 30,000 deaths per year in the United States due to firearms through both homocide and suicide is obviously an "acceptable loss", if there are people willing to defend gun ownership so virulently.

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30,000? Gun Control advocates love to throw numbers around to prove their case. Not sure where you got that number but lets run with it.

Out of those 30K how many were suicides? Deduct those numbers because if a person wants to kill themselves they will do it no matter if a gun is available or not.

Now how many were justifiable? Deduct those.

How many involved the violation of gun control laws?

Now subtract the number you reached from the approx 1 MILLION to 2.73 MILLION(Depends on who's survey you believe) times US citizens use guns to protect themselves each year.

The sum you get is well into the positive range for Gun use.

Numbers are great but only if you really look at them.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

glauistean really says:
I don't know anything. What do you think? :) Are you familiar with the premise that there is occasion when the most astute miss the obvious, which has nothing to do with me?

Never mind. I am one of those that likes to pander and post nonsense to get plaudits while unable to contribute anything of substance nor understand it when it is staring me in the face. Hence my inane post.

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You know there is a Melungeon evident in so many groups. It seems there is a plethora in this.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

No it is just your less than average ameriKan med pill passing psuedo doc taking his own meds....as he is much too smart to be taking meds prescribed by a real doctor



Now it all makes sense.......



as my grandpa used to say back in his old double wide in the hills.......

One can teach the ignorant, but it ain't easy (sorry no reference to ED in this case), and requires patience

One can humble the arrogant, so they may learn the errors of their ways, but it ain't easy (no refrence to ED),

but .....






as to dealing with someone who possesses both much arrogance and ignorance, this sweet lady is the real doctor holding the only cure:







She say, " now Guey, please say ahhhhh, and stick your tongue out...now you stick your big head up..a little higher....that is it....hold it right therre.......FORE!!!

See, boys and girls, to answer gluestein, I aint the most astute, but I never miss the obvious...."

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You as the other poster whose name I do not recall due to his/her insignificance are another example of those that try to interact but when confronted with what they perceive as superior intellect are reduced to banal and ridiculous rants such as the one you have just posted.

You, by the way are referring to an American but using a juvenile attempt at sarcasm and insult by using the nonsensical Amerikan to insult a nation of people of which I am not even related to. You are as they say in the aforementioned country a jackass. You try to use the English language to parlay unsuccessfully as always ,and reek of the passion to be heard because of your inability to be seen. You use words such as "pseudo" that you can't even spell let alone understand.

I have quite a bit of empathy, if not sympathy for your grandpa, but, I am wont to say that if he is as ignorant as you, then he is not in any position to dispense (play on words, medical :) ) any sort of advise except the ignorance that you deem as astute but sadly is lacking in intellect as is all of the posts you write. So, you have now disclosed, that you , and the offspring of this grandpa of yours are as base as you. Congratulations. You probably believe I am complimenting you.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

30,000? Gun Control advocates love to throw numbers around to prove their case. Not sure where you got that number but lets run with it.

Out of those 30K how many were suicides? Deduct those numbers because if a person wants to kill themselves they will do it no matter if a gun is available or not.

Now how many were justifiable? Deduct those.

How many involved the violation of gun control laws?

Now subtract the number you reached from the approx 1 MILLION to 2.73 MILLION(Depends on who's survey you believe) times US citizens use guns to protect themselves each year.

The sum you get is well into the positive range for Gun use.

Numbers are great but only if you really look at them.

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You are the one using inaccurate statistics and speaking about an issue you have no business or knowledge to speak of.

Rollo in fact is quite right when he states his number at 30,000 but errs on the low side.
The figures are available at your FBI site unless they are the anti-gun group you mention.

The figures are also available at the CDC site, New England Journal of Medicine.

Suicide is not as simple as you put it. It depends on infinite numbers of

criteria to determine whether a person is suicidal or is an attention seeker.

If they are suicidal then they are not always going to act on it as suicide is over 90% spontaneous or impulsive in nature.

Guns in a home lead to suicide seven times more so than those without. What does that say to you, Anthony?

As for your number of defensive uses of a weapon, well to say the least , you are really grasping at straws. I understand you are a pro gun advocate irrespective of what anyone say , but when you use a statistic that has a differential of close to 2 million then that study or conclusion is of no merit. There just can't be that type of figure bandied about as it fails the standards and parameters of your basic study groups.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

Suicide is not as simple as you put it. It depends on infinite numbers of

criteria to determine whether a person is suicidal or is an attention seeker.

If they are suicidal then they are not always going to act on it as suicide is over 90% spontaneous or impulsive in nature.

Guns in a home lead to suicide seven times more so than those without. What does that say to you, Anthony?

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People who whine about suicide are not the same people who commit it.

People who would pull the trigger do not seek attention, because they know the decision is final.

People who cut themselves and/or self injure are in a different category. People who want attention do not kill themselves...

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Originally Posted by Starter

Most especially I do not want the tyrannies of either the Left or the Right to control my life.

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And how do you think you having guns would prevent that? If they and their guns outnumbered you, they'd eventually shoot you dead unless you surrendered your guns. OK, I get it: They wouldn't control your life, just your death.

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Originally Posted by Starter

There is a price to be paid for true liberty. Those unwilling to pay that price will never have it.

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True, but not with guns, bullets or war.

"Without sharing there can be no justice,
Without justice there can be no peace,
Without peace there can be no future."

As I pointed out earlier Canada has fairly strict gun laws and having a permit to even own a handgun is hard to get. A carry permit is even tougher. Assault type weapons are illegal.
However the criminal element still get handguns and the gangbangers in particular are notoriously both careless and poor shots. They hit everything and one but who they are shooting at, quite often.
So basically banning does not work.
All guns are supposed to be registered meaning rifles and shotguns. Anyone who lives in the country knows that is a joke.
Again many people in Canada still hunt for food, especially in the far north, but as pointed out even in southern/central Ont.
What the US does is their business and not that of busybodies in other countries. They have a Constitutional right to own guns.
One person in particular seems to think he is a great intellect and that most others are stupid. Fine but keep that to yourself. Constant insulting of others, and not just on this thread, is counterproductive.