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10th December 2010, 18:16
Bolton Midnight

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

"Only the cream..." :confused: "All and sundry." :confused:

Please define who, in your opinion, sits in each of your two groups.

Are you suggesting that only those from "a top public school" should be permitted to access a university education?

As it used to be those with 8 or more O Levels (so that would be at least 10 A* nowadays)

3 good A levels in proper subjects

Doing vocational degrees that will lead to instant employment at a high salary - exactly like it used to be, before every kid seemed to think they had a god given right to waste time and money doing a worthless degree.

Not at all, I neither said that or implied it. Parental wealth should have no bearing on the subject - social mobility and all that - which the Coalition believes in unlike Labour.
10th December 2010, 18:16
janvanvurpa

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Only the cream should be going to Uni not all and sundry.

Then how to you explain that you went to University?

(can you say cognitive dissonance?)
10th December 2010, 18:17
ioan

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Originally Posted by skc

A secondary education is a right and a necessity that benefits all children so is paid for by the taxpayer.

Further education is a choice that should be detirmined by a chosen career path.

If you want to be a Doctor, Solicitor, Scientist etc, go to university and pay back some of the cost of your education from the increased salary you receive from your education.

If you want to do teaching, nursing, social work etc, go to University and if you don't earn enough, us tax payers will pay for your education if you earn a couple of grand below the national average wage and if you earn more, pay back an amount that is affordable for a period and the rest is written off.

Rubbish.
Your posts sounds like: If you are more intelligent than me than you better not expect me to pay for you to become even better and earn more than I do.

I know you will say I am wrong, but you're the one who put it black on white first of all.
10th December 2010, 18:19
Bolton Midnight

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Originally Posted by ioan

What a load of rubbish.

Those who stand up for their rights have to be applauded not dissed by the so called society.

I can only pity those who think like you.

What are you going to do without students?
Who's going to research for new technologies? For new medication? Who's gonna give a spine to the society you are living in? Joe from the pub?!

Just for the info I believe that education should be free for all, not only available to the rich ones.
The lack of access to education will show in 10-15 years but then it will be too late.

People that smash up the Supreme Court and cenotaph deserve a good kicking and nothing else - bring back the SPG.

If they had attacked Obama/Putin's car they would have been shot at.

These students aren't the ones who will find a cure for cancer or unearth a better alternative to petrol FFS these are the ones watching day time tv and then drinking all night whilst moaning about how poor they are before they drive home in their DBC.
10th December 2010, 18:20
Drew

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Originally Posted by ioan

Just for the info I believe that education should be free for all, not only available to the rich ones.
The lack of access to education will show in 10-15 years but then it will be too late.

The system in the UK is that they charge for university but you don't pay it back until you're earning at least £21,000. If most degrees are 3 years long it means most students will at the very least be in £27,000 worth of debt. Most people that graduate won't start earning £21,000 for quite a while, if ever. So realistically the government isn't going to get back most of the money it gives out. But hey, it sorts things out for the moment, so who gives a damn?

The worst thing is, this is only in England. Nobody seems to be interested in why English students seem to get screwed over whilst the Scottish get it for free. :rolleyes:
10th December 2010, 18:21
ioan

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

we have a similar problem in Germany... here a lot of it is "blamed" on immigrants :dozey:

It's the same everywhere.
It is always the poor and the immigrant at fault never the stupid politician who sits on his hands 90% of his term and decides to increase taxes as it is a measure that gives them more money to play with.
10th December 2010, 18:22
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ioan

You sure do not need to go to the university to become a plumber, but maybe some want to be doctors or engineers, which you can't without getting higher level education.

Many would rightly argue that, in the past, being an engineer didn't require a degree. In many countries it doesn't, and a good technical training qualification that didn't come from a university is ranked very highly.
10th December 2010, 18:24
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Doing vocational degrees that will lead to instant employment at a high salary - exactly like it used to be, before every kid seemed to think they had a god given right to waste time and money doing a worthless degree.

Your generalisation is quite appalling. 'Every kid'?
10th December 2010, 18:26
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by skc

Further education is a choice that should be detirmined by a chosen career path.

So merely being academically gifted in subjects like history, a language or so on is insufficient? I detest the manner in which university is now viewed by many as a production line for industry, with learning for its own sake and that of pure knowledge now being viewed as an old-fashioned concept. But such is the way in which we are all expected to worship the private sector nowadays.
10th December 2010, 18:27
ioan

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

People that smash up the Supreme Court and cenotaph deserve a good kicking and nothing else - bring back the SPG.

Who told you those were students?
Every time there is a public manifestation like this, there will be extremist idiots who will take advantage in order to destroy some stuff without risking too much.

I do not believe that those who were there to ask for affordable access to Unis were the ones who were violent.
You are swallowing what the politicians and the mass media serve you without first filtering it.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

If they had attacked Obama/Putin's car they would have been shot at.

No $hit, how do you know that?

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

These students aren't the ones who will find a cure for cancer or unearth a better alternative to petrol FFS these are the ones watching day time tv and then drinking all night whilst moaning about how poor they are before they drive home in their DBC.

You are again talking out of your rear and generalizing without intimate knowledge of the situation.

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