Wikileaks

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

No, but it will be when I take WikiLeaks somewhat seriously. I have no problem with the leaks if Julian worked as hard to attain the dirt on Chavez and the like as he does on Obama's minions, and the like. Lets face reality, if you think the Americans are talking smack, can you imagine some of the stuff some of these tinpot nations are on about?

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I must say I don't agree with your reasoning on this. After all, it depends on who is offering the information, for a start.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I am thinking you are right Dylan. The sad reality of it is, the dirt that people want to find really isn't there.....instead we get to hear how one diplomat in the US thinks of some Russian.....or how they think Canada is out to lunch on terrorism...ya..well duuuh.....we kind of knew that was being said before!

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What is interesting is the reaction of the various factions.

The Russian said no big deal, everyone knows and talks about everyone anyway.
The Amis call it terrorism!

Are war and terrorism the only words in the US diplomatic vocabulary?

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

No..as per usual you miss the point. I am saying that Wikileaks is run by a man with an agenda, and I again ask you how anxious would he be to publish the inside information on the Russians or Chinese? How long would he live afterwards???

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Everyone has an agenda, isn't it?
Everyone has one thing in mind, their own well being. We are all human beings and most of us are like that.
However do these hidden agenda's make the society any better?
Is it possible to call democratic a society where the powers elected by popular vote are hiding their agenda from those who elected them?
Is it great when everyone is spying on everyone and people are kept in a constant state of tension, and every 2nd news is about terrorists?!

Wouldn't it be a better world if everyone knew what their neighbor wants by simply asking them and getting a honest answer?

But than again what would all those people that work for special service, CIA and Co do? There will be no need for them, nor for maintaining nuclear weapons and other such. No need for having the power anymore.

However this would mean that Mrs Clinton and co give up the power they got gifted by the US citizens, they become mere mortals again, who can not menace anyone with trials for terrorism etc...
Can you see them giving up what they thrived for such a long time? I can't see that happen.

As for Wikileaks, it was started by Chinese dissidents looking for dirt to spread about China. Since Assange took over, he has targeted the US and UK almost exclusively and has exposed more than just diplomatic cables, he has published information that was meant to be used against the Taliban. IN short, he published information that will allow the Taliban to kill NATO soldiers in Afghanistan more efficiently. Tell me....is this a man who cares really about peace? I suspect not..he wants the West to lose actually...

Ioan, you can rant your anti American bile all you like, but this guy running Wikileaks has an agenda that isnt' on the side of what is fair, what is noble or peace....

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Originally Posted by Eki

So when the Wikileaks leak something bad or embarrassing about the North Koreans, the Russians, the Chinese and Hugo Chavez, it's a useful service, but when they leak something bad or embarrassing about the USA and Americans, it's harmful? Double standards, or does the end simply justify the means?

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It would be a useful service depending on which side of the matter one is.

In this particular leak, the leaker probably did more good than harm, without exception, but Wikileaks, is not doing it as a service for good, as the current leaker probably thought he was.
Why is it being done, is something that should be considered sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Ioan, you can rant your anti American bile all you like, but this guy running Wikileaks has an agenda that isnt' on the side of what is fair, what is noble or peace....

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And what exactly is his agenda?
As far a I am concerned they are exposing things that are hidden by other people with an agenda, a very dark agenda.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Afraid of the truth? Living in denial? Brainwashed?
I guess this is what describes today's 'democracies'.

The leaks are not an offense IMO, unless someone has something to hide in the closet, and public persons should be squeaky clean with nothing to hide!

As far as I am concerned transparency is the only way to save the paranoid society we are living in before we start throwing nukes on each others.

Double standards? No way, there is only one standard and it says that the US are always right, and it can always be demonstrated using force.

What is interesting is the reaction of the various factions.

The Russian said no big deal, everyone knows and talks about everyone anyway.
The Amis call it terrorism!

Are war and terrorism the only words in the US diplomatic vocabulary?

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I thought maybe you had been over-whelmed by your naïveté, but having re-read your words, it seems you are just a spite filled blow-hard.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Does 'Christian heresy' ring a bell? What about witch hunt, or witchcraft trials?
Ever heard about Giordano Bruno?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_heresy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

PS: There is life on Earth outside the US.

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Then start a thread on it, and leave this one to the proper topic.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...ind-wikileaks/

A good article on how even people who would on paper support Assange are seeing him as a wild man on an agenda....