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9th August 2010, 06:45
Eki

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

So you would have been OK with the Nazis to go on Committing Genocide and remain a threat to the world?

No, as I said, stopping the genocide would have been one of the main peace terms, as well as resigning from power and new free elections.
9th August 2010, 14:18
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Such as:

Really?

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/a...hirostal96.jpg

Oops. Hirohito never went to Russia indeed... feh. I'd rather believe properly researched material than heresay from you.

Funny how that picture has Stalin but not Hirohito! It is Japanese Foreign Minister Yōsuke Matsuoka but I guess they all look the same to you.

And it isn't 1945 but actually 1941.

http://plhb.tripod.com/p1.html
9th August 2010, 14:32
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

If you start a fight, then the tables turn and your opponent comes back strong... and then pulls a gun, cocks it and points it at your head, my advice would be to go for the unconditional surrender. But the Japanese elected to take two rounds to the head instead. That was their choice. Why would I feel sorry about that? They have no one but themselves to blame for what happened. And considering where they are now (and how they got there), I expect a "Thank you for rebuilding us after you had to destroy us, Uncle Sam." But I'll be damned if we should ever consider an apology for bombing them. If anything, they should apologize for bombing Pearl Harbor and for the atrocities they committed in Nanking and other places. But clearly, they're not going to do that. Screw 'em. They'll either get over it or they won't.

Lesson: don't let your mouth write checks that your azz can't cash. And if you start to lose, wave the white flag before your opponent polishes you off totally.

How well did the Americans understand Japanese culture back in the 40's? Maybe a lack of understanding a foreign culture (from the US side) played part in Japan refusing to surrender. The wars America has fought recently (especially Iraq) show a clear lack of understanding of non-Western type cultures and their reactions to things.
9th August 2010, 16:48
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

How well did the Americans understand Japanese culture back in the 40's? Maybe a lack of understanding a foreign culture (from the US side) played part in Japan refusing to surrender. The wars America has fought recently (especially Iraq) show a clear lack of understanding of non-Western type cultures and their reactions to things.

I would say that's very likely - especially in the 40's. I'd say our overall view of "Orientals" was very similar to the British and the French at that time: interesting but inferior.

I'd say there was a fair lack of cultural understanding on both sides. But the problem is, when you're losing... and badly at that, you better (quickly) figure out what your opponent might do to you if you don't surrender.
9th August 2010, 22:15
BDunnell

Why the hell are we even discussing the reasons behind going to war in 1939-41? Bit late, isn't it? On this subject, what's done is well and truly done.
10th August 2010, 01:34
airshifter

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

How well did the Americans understand Japanese culture back in the 40's? Maybe a lack of understanding a foreign culture (from the US side) played part in Japan refusing to surrender. The wars America has fought recently (especially Iraq) show a clear lack of understanding of non-Western type cultures and their reactions to things.

That is a two way street. Admiral Yamamoto advised that the bombing of Pearl Harbor would have the opposite effect of that Japan predicted, stating it would not cause us to surrender but strengthen our resolve to win at all costs.

And this was the man that planned the invasion.

We had a clear understanding of why they did not wish to surrender, but apparently they had no clear understanding of why they shouldn't have attacked us, or the fact that we were not going to negotiate based on their hostile actions.
10th August 2010, 01:34
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Funny how that picture has Stalin but not Hirohito! It is Japanese Foreign Minister Yōsuke Matsuoka but I guess they all look the same to you.

And it isn't 1945 but actually 1941.

http://plhb.tripod.com/p1.html

Rollo?

Hello?

No Comment?
10th August 2010, 06:16
Rollo

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Rollo?
Hello?
No Comment?

Mokusatsu :D

You are aware that Matsuoka is the chap in the middle, ie the guy with the hat on, aren't you?

Obviously a tripod website with such delights as this:
http://plhb.tripod.com/p212.jpg
is highly credible.
10th August 2010, 08:38
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by airshifter

That is a two way street. Admiral Yamamoto advised that the bombing of Pearl Harbor would have the opposite effect of that Japan predicted, stating it would not cause us to surrender but strengthen our resolve to win at all costs.

And this was the man that planned the invasion.

We had a clear understanding of why they did not wish to surrender, but apparently they had no clear understanding of why they shouldn't have attacked us, or the fact that we were not going to negotiate based on their hostile actions.

I doubt that very much. If you don't understand the Iragi on this day and age, I very much doubt the US government understood the Japanese and how they should be dealt with back in WWII. Still, they were the ones who started it.
10th August 2010, 14:33
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Mokusatsu :D

You are aware that Matsuoka is the chap in the middle, ie the guy with the hat on, aren't you?

No it is not.

Give it up. Hirohito never met with Stalin in 1945. The US never bombed Vladisvostok.

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