Schumacher !!! Should he call it quits

Schumi has been in every situation under the sun. How quickly people forget.

He entered f1 with a good team and won then looked around for a new challenge.

He went to Ferrari at a time when they were in the doldrums. The first time he drove one of the Berger - Alesi cars he was TWO seconds around the Maranello development-test track quicker.

Show of hands!? How many remember the stress and the trouble and the strife from the Italian press and the tifosi - and Schumi put onhimself when from 1996 to around 1998 I think - there were calls for Todt to be thrown out and questions being asked if even Schumi was actually worth it!

There were other drivers being mentioned as replacements too.

So now we have the current situation. No testing allowed, Schumi stopped racing just as the control tyres were implemented and after three years he returned to a completely different era.

Just look how SMALL tweaks in the regs from 2009 to 2010 have allowed Webber to compete on more equal terms with one of the two quickest drivers in F1, Vettel!

So to criticize or rubbush Schumi is totally to misunderstand or worse, the current situation.

These things take time - give him his time. I remember HOW MANY seasons when even people in racing rubbished Jenson until he was given a decent car.

Schumi is the best development driver in racing EVER. He wil find his "firing solution". And if it looks as if he wil not succeed he will be the first to say so and leave.

Schmacher has not returned - and he has not been signed by Mercedes - to make up numbers or to merely "enjoy himself and have fun".

Schumi had returned to win and he is as determined and serious about it now as he ever was.

It would be totally dishonest and without integrity if this were not the case and the grest driver is not like that at all.

At least I thought that the people on this board would understand where he is and what is going on right now.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Schumi has been in every situation under the sun. How quickly people forget.

He entered f1 with a good team and won then looked around for a new challenge.

He went to Ferrari at a time when they were in the doldrums. The first time he drove one of the Berger - Alesi cars he was TWO seconds around the Maranello development-test track quicker.

Show of hands!? How many remember the stress and the trouble and the strife from the Italian press and the tifosi - and Schumi put onhimself when from 1996 to around 1998 I think - there were calls for Todt to be thrown out and questions being asked if even Schumi was actually worth it!

There were other drivers being mentioned as replacements too.

So now we have the current situation. No testing allowed, Schumi stopped racing just as the control tyres were implemented and after three years he returned to a completely different era.

Just look how SMALL tweaks in the regs from 2009 to 2010 have allowed Webber to compete on more equal terms with one of the two quickest drivers in F1, Vettel!

So to criticize or rubbush Schumi is totally to misunderstand or worse, the current situation.

These things take time - give him his time. I remember HOW MANY seasons when even people in racing rubbished Jenson until he was given a decent car.

Schumi is the best development driver in racing EVER. He wil find his "firing solution". And if it looks as if he wil not succeed he will be the first to say so and leave.

Schmacher has not returned - and he has not been signed by Mercedes - to make up numbers or to merely "enjoy himself and have fun".

Schumi had returned to win and he is as determined and serious about it now as he ever was.

It would be totally dishonest and without integrity if this were not the case and the grest driver is not like that at all.

At least I thought that the people on this board would understand where he is and what is going on right now.

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sonic

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You can roll your eyes all you want to, but you cannot refute what I say :D :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Exactly!

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I really think, down the season, he'll be deciding wdc's fate.

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Originally Posted by Sonic

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I'm not one to normally agree with what Mr Saints posts, but most of what he posted in his last post is true. I don't know why you have to roll your eyes at it.

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Originally Posted by amiman

You need a car that can perform to get results, give him a car that can and lets see what happens.

Rosberg would not have been on the podium if Vettel hadn't blown it.

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amiman, I do not accept your argument.
Give any one of the top drivers a car that can get results and they will do it, Schumacher made it to the top in F1 with the connivance of Brawn at Benetton.
Benetton's use of illegal traction control was a disgrace.
Schumacher then continued his blatant cheating at Ferrari with Brawn and Todt as his enablers.
Todt, as Ferrari team principal used his position to felicitate the use of the Ferrari veto, and boy did he do so!!!!

The problem with those that eulogize Schumacher is they follow the herd instinct, they whish to associate themselves with a perceived winner, they care not that their hero is a cheat and a fraud.

Yes Schumacher was a very good driver in all forms of motorsport, but by no means was his ability any better than most of the F1 drivers, for my part I hope Rosberg continues to be in the ascendance.

Regards scaliwag.

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Originally Posted by scaliwag

amiman, I do not accept your argument.
Give any one of the top drivers a car that can get results and they will do it, Schumacher made it to the top in F1 with the connivance of Brawn at Benetton.
Benetton's use of illegal traction control was a disgrace.
Schumacher then continued his blatant cheating at Ferrari with Brawn and Todt as his enablers.
Todt, as Ferrari team principal used his position to felicitate the use of the Ferrari veto, and boy did he do so!!!!

The problem with those that eulogize Schumacher is they follow the herd instinct, they whish to associate themselves with a perceived winner, they care not that their hero is a cheat and a fraud.

Yes Schumacher was a very good driver in all forms of motorsport, but by no means was his ability any better than most of the F1 drivers, for my part I hope Rosberg continues to be in the ascendance.

Regards scaliwag.

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Phew!!!

You argue some very valid points but I don't think it's fair to Demonize Schumacher. I think that all teams seek to manipulate rules to their benefit but Ferrari and Bennetton were just more efficient. I do think it fair to castigate the FIA and Mad Max for the deliberate slanting of the governing body to favour one team. For years it was denied but at least it's starting to come out in the open and that sorry era has hopefully passed for good.

As for Schumacher, he was just more ruthless on the track. Deliberatly punting people off was disgraceful but he won one championship out of two doing it where he wouldn't have won either, so as long as drivers are allowed to behave like this, the more ruthless will. Many people hold Senna in high regard but he did the same.

Schumacher was the best driver of his era but that era passed a couple of year before he retired. I think he should never have come back but perhaps these days there is elements within F1 that will allow people to race in top teams for gimmick reasons rather than on merit. I see excuses like "he may be slow but he's good for marketing" or " leave him alone, he's only having fun" and feel quite sick. This isn't a friendly little fun run to the coast. This is the pinnacle of Motor Sport and he has just as much right still driving as JYS or Sir Moss if "having a bit of a laugh" is the criteria.

MS cheating with TC led to his 7 championships. Perhaps not all of them but many of them. The reality is that he is a very good driver but not the best ever as his record indicates. Senna - prost- and others would beat him handily. i hope he stays around til JV gets back and while JV may not have the equip to compete at the top you will get to see the driving ability of both.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

MS cheating with TC led to his 7 championships. Perhaps not all of them but many of them.

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Maybe you can prove your allegations?
No?!
What a surprise! Not! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Schmacher has not returned - and he has not been signed by Mercedes - to make up numbers or to merely "enjoy himself and have fun".

Schumi had returned to win and he is as determined and serious about it now as he ever was.

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Perhaps I should have clarified my post in which I stated that Schumacher should not retire and might be having some fun...

What I was getting at was the whole notion of the preseason expectations placed upon him to be right up front, right away. When that didn't happen, many assumed that Schumacher was either a failure or would be unhappy with his comeback, despite claims to the contrary made by the man himself.

I believe Schumacher fully understood that the season could very well play out as it has for him, and that a single season would not equate another WDC. Schumacher now has a car/team to help develop towards success, and in the meantime seems to be having some fun getting in race battles. I believe he will be unhappy if race wins do not eventually come, but for the time being he still has hope for future success.