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Originally Posted by Marbles
Looks useable to me. Looks like about half the stands are gone. The IRL could probably come close to a sell-out now.
I didn't see a trench cut across the track, but that's what fill dirt and asphalt are for.
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Originally Posted by Marbles
Looks useable to me. Looks like about half the stands are gone. The IRL could probably come close to a sell-out now.
I didn't see a trench cut across the track, but that's what fill dirt and asphalt are for.
And those would be? (And Nazareth doesn't look very "bulldozed" to me.) Maybe the IRL should buy it and put on those highly profitable Indy Car races there.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Yep. All you need is some 16 year old hot-rodder to break in there and kill himself doing hot-laps. The family would get millions and everyone here would be blaming that evil old ISC.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.asp...zareth%2C%20PAQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
That's why I said look at MSN (BING)maps. Depending o nteh resolution, the images are Much newer on MSN. Some show the track covered in weeds with everything that could be unbolted or moved gone. sure, it COULD be rebuilt, but it was torn down to make it toatlly unattative to a track operator to buy it as a race track and run races there. Those google images are at least 5-6 years old. MSN Birdseye view clearly shows the catch fencing all grandstands and the surrounding fencing was removed as well as large holes dug out of the racing surface. The facility was more secure before they did all of that. If one had ever reviewed the estate listings for the property, the property included a clause that it could never be used as a motor racing facility by prospective buyers. NASCAR/ISC was trying to develop the Staten Island project . The had similar clauses in the Pikes Peak property before they abandoned the Denver area. The difference was Pikes Peak could have been a viable alternative to a new facility in the Denver area. NAZARETH was a direct competetor to the two Pocono races which already draw heavily from the New York area. When the Busch races were moved from Nazareth, they had no use for it. DESTROYING it under the guise of liability is legitimate but bull$#it as to the real reason.
Or we could still be attending local modified and usac races at what was a world class facility before they destroyed the place. does ISC dig holes in their tracks between every race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
Still doesn't look that "destroyed" to me. Those "holes" don't look all that big, pretty simple to fix I imagine. I would have taken all the fencing down too. No need to keep up a bunch of unused fencing that will have to be maintained.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
I went there several times for CART races in the late 1990's, first one in 1995. Loved it. Remember having to buy my tickets a few months ahead of time to ensure getting one. Then the IRL arrived and the grandstands were only about half filled. That's right, blame that evil old ISC for not continuing to operate a money pit.
Sounds like Pikes Peak International is doing pretty well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikes_P...tional_RacewayQuote:
PPIR reopened September 2008 with a focus on participant motorsports events. A wide variety of amateur racing groups use PPIR for racing, testing and training. Due to NASCAR's ban on testing at tracks with NASCAR races, many NASCAR teams run test sessions at PPIR.
Current on-track activity (2010) includes race events by SCCA, NASA, MRA, INEX, Pikes Peak Kart Racing Club and many other groups, sanctioning bodies and clubs. The Rocky Mountain Muscle Car Classic holds its annual car show at PPIR. Several organizations use the auto cross lot for auto cross and drifting activities. Manufacturers utilize the facility for vehicle expositions, performance driving events and customer appreciation events. Open test & tune days are offered to the motorsports public. PPIR is home to the Speedway Drivers Search television program and racing school. The GO4IT driving/racing school is based at PPIR. Griffith Speed & Custom operates a race shop and race car dealership in the infield. Race fuel and tire services are available at PPIR.
Future plans call for the construction of additional road courses, trackside lots and motorsports business related shops, restaurants and hotel facilities.
As I recall (but can't find the article) the IRL abandoned racing at PPIR before ISC bought it.
Attendance went to hell at Nazareth BECAUSE it was the IRL, not CART/Champcar. Pikes peak is doing NOW. It was closed down by ISC when they were trying to ramrod a much larger project east of Denver, but they maintained the facility as long as they were trying to get into the market. When it became clear no one wanted NASCAR, they sold it as a viable facility because it was in a market where they aren't wanted. It was worth more that way. I've read there are stipulation in the Pikes Peak purchase taht they can't hold high level racing there, but that's hearsay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
So ISC should maintain a track even though they don't want to for whatever reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
[sarcasm] Of course they should. [/sarcasm]Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I thought that's what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
But you're agreeing that attendance went to hell and the track's profitability was suspect?