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10th June 2010, 15:37
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Are we talking Indy Car or tracks? The success of a track is mutually exclusive to the Success of Indy Car.

The Success of Indy Car is totally dependent on sponsorship. No sponsorship no racing. Major sponsors are interested in marketing the investment through exposure.
That exposure is generated primarily through TV followed by other forms of media(Internet, Press..ect).

Do you think that any of the few team sponsors are paying the 4-5 Million dollars to have their car in front of an average of 35K fans?

Even for tracks their main source of income is sponsorship. Haven't you noticed that even though NASCAR attendance is down none of the tracks seem to be complaining?

Look at F-1. Nobody can argue that F-1 isn't by far the most successful racing series on the planet.
Bernie once said that they could hold an F-1 event and still make the same amount of money just from TV. Nobody with any knowledge of the biz has refuted that statement.

So how much does the IRL pay the tracks to have the races.
Road America kicked out Indy cars because of no fans, so which is it?
If Indy cars pay the tracks then they must not pay Road America enough.

If the tracks do not need fans, how much are they paid?
If the tracks are not paid and fans do not show up, where will the cars run?
Race tracks are not charities.

Which is it?

You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot have it both ways.
10th June 2010, 17:56
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

So how much does the IRL pay the tracks to have the races.
Road America kicked out Indy cars because of no fans, so which is it?
If Indy cars pay the tracks then they must not pay Road America enough.

If the tracks do not need fans, how much are they paid?
If the tracks are not paid and fans do not show up, where will the cars run?
Race tracks are not charities.

Which is it?

You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot have it both ways.

You got it wrong.

The tracks pay the IRL to race at their facilities. Road America couldn't make it work because the IRL doesn't generate enough interest to draw fans and sponsors.
10th June 2010, 18:06
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I noticed that there is no U.S. F-1 and vast majority of racing fans don't care.

Do you believe that? Then why is there a lack of US drivers in the IRL?
And why is FOX going to broadcast the Next 4 F-1 races on their NetworK?
How come ATT, HP, Microsoft and Exxon sponsor F1 teams and not the IRL? Why does Red Bull own 2 teams yet don't even sponsoring a team in the IRL. Red Bull is in every Major Series. F-1, WRC, Rally America, NASCAR and yet have no interest in Indy Car.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I have not seen any, net threads on Singapore, but there one finds many on the Indianapolis 500, and even the IRL, whilst not even looking for them.

Now you are being silly. All one has to look at this message board.

F-1 18,052 Threads.
Indy 6,108 Threads

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

The Dakar Rally is known better in the U.S. than any race in Singapore, or for that matter so is a race in Macau.

You really believe that the Macau GP is more popular in the US than F-1?

Really?

Even Dakar, an event I am involved with, isn't as well known as F-1 in the US. I wish it was though.

I will admit that F-1 isn't really popular in the USA but then again neither is Indy Car.
10th June 2010, 21:57
Bob Riebe

[quote="anthonyvop"]Do you believe that? Then why is there a lack of US drivers in the IRL?
And why is FOX going to broadcast the Next 4 F-1 races on their NetworK?
How come ATT, HP, Microsoft and Exxon sponsor F1 teams and not the IRL? Why does Red Bull own 2 teams yet don't even sponsoring a team in the IRL. Red Bull is in every Major Series. F-1, WRC, Rally America, NASCAR and yet have no interest in Indy Car.
It is called buying a ride and there are more foreign drivers with sugar daddies, than there are from the U.S.
Besides NASCAR pays so damn well, for just qualifying, why waste time with minor leagues like F-1 or Indy car.

Now you are being silly. All one has to look at this message board.

F-1 18,052 Threads.
Indy 6,108 Threads
YOU said Singapore not F-1, so, how many threads dedicated to Singapore verses the Indianapolis 500?
You are the one trying to say Singapore is more than just another unkonwn F-1 race in the U.S.

You really believe that the Macau GP is more popular in the US than F-1?

Really? Try actually reading what I write; it is BETTER KNOWN than Singapore.

Even Dakar, an event I am involved with, isn't as well known as F-1 in the US. I wish it was though.
Then you must run in a circle that is quite illiterate concerning automotive affairs, especially as terrorist threats have affected the Dakar, which put it on the front page news in some areas.
Singapore is in the news in Singapore.

I will admit that F-1 isn't really popular in the USA but then again neither is Indy Car.
Indianapolis is still front page sports section news in many news papers; F-1 is lucky if the results get listed.
10th June 2010, 22:09
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

You got it wrong.

The tracks pay the IRL to race at their facilities. Road America couldn't make it work because the IRL doesn't generate enough interest to draw fans and sponsors.

Give me proof, all you are giving is your opinion.

Road America never had an IRL race.

Champ car was denied a race after 2004 and only allowed back on probabion of if it did not draw enough fans it would be removed permanently; therefore, Champ Car worked a deal with the IMSA, which worked 2006-7 but then Champ car went pffft.
Look it up.
10th June 2010, 22:11
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by Starter

Unfortunately, other than Indy, the rest of the season doesn't even get the media play F1 does in most places in the US.

Well here it gets about the same, close to zero.
10th June 2010, 22:38
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Do you believe that? Then why is there a lack of US drivers in the IRL?
And why is FOX going to broadcast the Next 4 F-1 races on their NetworK?
How come ATT, HP, Microsoft and Exxon sponsor F1 teams and not the IRL? Why does Red Bull own 2 teams yet don't even sponsoring a team in the IRL. Red Bull is in every Major Series. F-1, WRC, Rally America, NASCAR and yet have no interest in Indy Car.
It is called buying a ride and there are more foreign drivers with sugar daddies, than there are from the U.S.
Besides NASCAR pays so damn well, for just qualifying, why waste time with minor leagues like F-1 or Indy car.

Now you are being silly. All one has to look at this message board.

F-1 18,052 Threads.
Indy 6,108 Threads
YOU said Singapore not F-1, so, how many threads dedicated to Singapore verses the Indianapolis 500?
You are the one trying to say Singapore is more than just another unkonwn F-1 race in the U.S.

You really believe that the Macau GP is more popular in the US than F-1?

Really? Try actually reading what I write; it is BETTER KNOWN than Singapore.

Even Dakar, an event I am involved with, isn't as well known as F-1 in the US. I wish it was though.
Then you must run in a circle that is quite illiterate concerning automotive affairs, especially as terrorist threats have affected the Dakar, which put it on the front page news in some areas.
Singapore is in the news in Singapore.

I will admit that F-1 isn't really popular in the USA but then again neither is Indy Car.
Indianapolis is still front page sports section news in many news papers; F-1 is lucky if the results get listed.

So let me get this straight.

You believe that the Macau GP is better known than the Singapore GP

Dakar is in the news still because of Terrorism in North Africa.

Indy Car is more Popular than F-1

Indy Car is on the front page of sports section.

Track Spectators are more important to the success of the Indy Car Series than TV.

Popular Hot Rodding and Car Craft magazine are more important than TV and the Internet regarding Indy Cars.

And the world doesn't exist outside of the US borders.

Who are you? Tony George?

BTW The Dakar hasn't been run in North Africa since 2007.
10th June 2010, 23:20
Bob Riebe

[quote="anthonyvop"][quote="Bob Riebe"]

So let me get this straight.

You believe that the Macau GP is better known than the Singapore GP-- In the U.S., yep.
Been around longer.

Dakar is in the news still because of Terrorism in North Africa.It was, and before that it was well known.
Indy Car is more Popular than F-1[n] We were speaking Indy verses Singapore. But in the U.S. I'll put my money on Penske and the IRL.

Indy Car is on the front page of sports section.Try actually reading what is written. Indianapolis race was. F-1 rarely even gets results listed around here, the IRL does.

Track Spectators are more important to the success of the Indy Car Series than TV. Tracks are, no spectators, no tracks, no races.

Popular Hot Rodding and Car Craft magazine are more important than TV and the Internet regarding Indy Cars.No, that is your way of twisting this.
If you are actually reading.
The fans that read those, used to go to open wheel races, if they want more fans, create a formula that brings them back,(by being mentioned in said same rags) otherwise they will continue to funnel millions of dollars into drag and short track racings pockets, and ignore open wheel and road racing.

And the world doesn't exist outside of the US borders. This thread, Indy cars, and I, are not concerned with things outside of North America, or really the Indianapolis 500 as far as non-short track open wheel racing goes.

Who are you? Tony George?

BTW The Dakar hasn't been run in North Africa since 2007. But of course, but it is still better known in the U.S. than the Singapore GP.
11th June 2010, 04:48
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You believe that the Macau GP is better known than the Singapore GP-- In the U.S., yep.
Been around longer.

Just because something has been around longer does not make it more popular.
The thought that a stand alone Formula-3 race is more popular than an F-1 event is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Indy Car is more Popular than F-1[n] We were speaking Indy verses Singapore. But in the U.S. I'll put my money on Penske and the IRL.[/b]

Who is talking just the US? I ain't.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Indy Car is on the front page of sports section.Try actually reading what is written. Indianapolis race was. F-1 rarely even gets results listed around here, the IRL does.

Where is around here for you?
Who reads newspapers anymore? A dying form of media. And where I am from F-1 gets more press in the local papers than the IRL.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Track Spectators are more important to the success of the Indy Car Series than TV. Tracks are, no spectators, no tracks, no races.

You have no grasp of the Business of Racing do you?
If you actually believe that spectators at a race are more important that TV for Indy Cars then I suggest you go find some other old guys and reminisce about front engine roadsters on short tracks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Popular Hot Rodding and Car Craft magazine are more important than TV and the Internet regarding Indy Cars.No, that is your way of twisting this.
If you are actually reading.
The fans that read those, used to go to open wheel races, if they want more fans, create a formula that brings them back,(by being mentioned in said same rags) otherwise they will continue to funnel millions of dollars into drag and short track racings pockets, and ignore open wheel and road racing.

The fans of those magazines...The ones that are still alive....are too old to be a desirable market or of the wrong demographic.
Those guys will never embrace real racing. To try to lure them away from the drag strips and short tracks makes no sense economically. Wrong Demo.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

And the world doesn't exist outside of the US borders. This thread, Indy cars, and I, are not concerned with things outside of North America, or really the Indianapolis 500 as far as non-short track open wheel racing goes.

You may not be concerned with things outside of North America but any business man is. And never forget that Indy Car is a business.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

BTW The Dakar hasn't been run in North Africa since 2007. But of course, but it is still better known in the U.S. than the Singapore GP.

The numbers disagree with you. I and will trust them before I trust you.

Listen I have just completed two sponsorship deals and are working on 3 more for a business.
We researched every major series F-1, WRC, IRC, Rally America, GP2, GP3, NASCAR, ALMS, G/A, Indy Car, NHRA, World Challenge, Dakar. ect. We have even looked at club series.

When it came to ROI Indy Car came in last in almost every category.
11th June 2010, 07:13
call_me_andrew

I've heard IMS is creepy at night (some say it's haunted) so I'm not going to get behind any night 500. I'm not opposed to the concept of night races, but Indy is neither the time nor the place for it.

I would only move the 500 to Monday if Firestone could build a rain tire that can the oval, because no one will watch on Tuesday.

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