Poll on who was at fault

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Originally Posted by Daniel

If you look at it from Webber's onboard camera it tells a different story IMHO.

I'm still waiting for people to show where I said people weren't allowed to have polls or opinions btw :laugh:

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Keep this up and I'll report you for counter trolling. :D :rotflmao:

On a more serious note, an on board camera shot can be misleading because it simply shows that the car on which the camera is mounted does not change direction, but everything around it moves. But the pictures posted above and originally supplied by Mr Walker clearly shows that there was a significant gap between Vettel's car and the white line before vettel made his move towards Webber.

I just wonder what the next step by RBR will be when Vettel decides to make a kamikaze move - will Webber be given prior instructions to yield?

Q: dose a team get any sort of reward for the youngest world champion
Q: bernie ecclestone picks a driver to win the world championship and he wins dose the team get a bonus

maybe it was the car that what you get for calling it randy mandy :p

I dont have an idea as to why Red Bull are saying that Webber was to blame, that was 100% Vettel's fault, sure Horner is talking about Webber going slowly (fuel saving mode) but that does not explain Vettel going directly into the side of him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8713862.stm

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

maybe it was the car that what you get for calling it randy mandy :p

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"How dare you Sebastian, my name is RB6-003, NOT F*****G MANDY!!!, for that I will make you suffer!"

i have once or twice agreed with Eddie Jordan (i know it sounds crazy).

i have a few times agreed with Daniel.

i have been known to even agree with Ioan.

never knowingly have i ever agreed with all 3 at the same time.

all Vettels fault for me

It seems Lewis also believes so -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/8713780.stm

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Hamilton, who took his first win of the year, sided with Webber and said: "I am very surprised with the move Vettel did.
"You have to be sensible. It was a dangerous move because I tried to go on the outside of him. He turned towards me, there was no reason to turn right.
"He did the same thing with Mark and unfortunately he took himself out. Mark has driven well in the last few races and I am glad he was able to do finish."

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh also felt that Vettel was to blame for the crash that handed his drivers a one-two finish.
"I was a little surprised by the extent to which the Red Bull team were cuddling Sebastian Vettel on the pit wall," he said.
"You have got to get your own ego behind the team and if you have a potential one-two finish in the race, don't do anything to jeopardise that."

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Originally Posted by Daniel

If you look at it from Webber's onboard camera it tells a different story IMHO.

I'm still waiting for people to show where I said people weren't allowed to have polls or opinions btw :laugh:

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From Webbers onboard it does look as though he thinks about squeezing Seb onto the grass, but then thinks better of it as he slowly angles across the track. But it also clearly shows that if anything Webber was moving to the right, making more room for Vettel.

And without a doubt it shows that Webber did absolutely nothing in the way of causing the collision. Vettel ran into Webber.


If you have some onboard shots that would prove otherwise, post them up.


As for the poll, I fully understood your point, but I think you fail to understand mine. Poll or not, you seem to take offense that some (or in this case most) disagree with you. But at the same time, you are trying to convince that majority percentage that they are wrong, simply because you said so.


So I'll ask again, what sporting regulation did Webber violate? Vettel caused a collision, which is a breach of sporting regulations that could have been investigated.

The Vettel supporters are getting quieter and quieter.. I think in the cold light of day as more and more evidence and opinions come out, the blindingly bloody obvious is starting to dawn upon even the most hardened Vettel fans - it was 100% Vettels fault.

I'm a Vettel fan and have stated that Vettel was at fault from the start.

I really fail to see how it's Webber's fault for maintaining his line down the straight.
Vettel's duty was to clear Webber before setting up for the next left-hand turn.

Japan 2008, not the first time Vettel has ran into Webber. Pressure just got to Vettel.

If this was a football team and Vettel scored an own goal, the team would be blaming the goalkeeper.

Nevermind which driver's fault it was. The lead-up to and the catastrophic aftermath of those 10 seconds on lap 40 was all of their own doing, they deserve all the bad press that they are getting.

Canada will certainly be interesting.