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*sigh*
The crumdrugeons are spouting the doom and gloom and the fan bois have a rager over how cool it is....
It was a stunt. Travis Pastrana is a Red Bull Athlete, his Subaru contract requires anything officially in a car to be in a Subaru.
It was fun, it was exciting.
Was it rallying? NOPE
Will it save rallying? NOPE
Will it hurt rallying? NOPE
Just enjoy it for the entertainment that it was...
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Originally Posted by L5->R5/CR
Nobody is spouting or even whispering doom and gloom.
Very naughty of you to slander people that way.
Those that aren't peeing their panties are suggesting that the net result for anybody other than Redbull and Travvie is a 2 seconds of fun and a big NEUTRAL for the sport..
Now if somebody wanted to begrude something they might suggest that having this little stunt on the WRC forum, somehow implying even the most tenuous connection , even the remotest hint that Travvie is worthy of comparison, shows how this harmless --extremely over done, carefully calculated stunt-----actually does detract from what's supposed to be the pinnacle of Rally in this world..
In other words this doesn't belong here but rather maybe in USA section or really in Off Topic.
Wow that was quite a jump.
I understand that some of us cant really stand this kind of activity, but really this is very good. At the end of the day, everyone wins. Red Bull wins as we can see, in this thread we have already seen more than 5 references to the brand. Pastrana wins, Im sure he enjoyed the show and the jump and fans win.
But this kind of adversetising usually doesnt last for too long, If they continue to do this regularly then people will lose interest.
Dont you think that in the most part of the real world where rally is a sport there is more than just 16-22 entries, if the rally is not so well in 1 single country, it can do fine in many.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
More publicity via YouTube and Twitter than anything WRC itsself has managed in years. for that I applaud the PR stunt and it shows WRC needs to do something more than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
However he's a crap rally driver so should stick to helping Subaru with his tricksy stuff.
Pastrana is absolutely not ready for WRC rally. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I live also in the present, yes we live in a commercial world but with things such as those jump, rally will not survive in the future!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally_Rocks
My true collors is that i like the rally sport and that has nothing to do with the past but with 30 years experience as a rally fan.
Yes, I live in the real world, and you should know that big things start out small. I'm not sure why you're being so condescending. Rallying is still in its infancy in America, if compared to rallying in Europe, and should not be taken lightly. I feel as if a door is beginning to open up for rallying in America. Disillusioned Indy fans and embittered NASCAR tailgaters are probably looking at something else to whet their automotive palate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Be patient...
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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Thanks!
I've only been daily involved in rally since 1984 (today, Sunday, a guy who has just built a new car and will be debuting in our season opener "Doo-Wops Rally" in Feb, is coming over to pick up arts for his suspension I made for his rwd XR4Ti rallycar, and I'll machine the differential companion flage of an Xratty to mate with his BMW diff, then machinging some alloy bushings for another noob's 240 Volvo) and was already hearing" Wait! we're just starting out, there's only been rally in America since the_______60s"
So we've been in "our" infancy since the 1960s.
And I just had my 39th birthday for the 18th time.
IF we are still in our infancy, it might be because while 99.5% of the field are in the crib, others have been shouting that "THIS TRICK" or "THIS 'media personanality'..." or "a WRC event" or some spaz-tacular external primarily PROMOTION-Centered SPECTACLE is going to be the thing to get us out of "our" infancy.
It MIGHT be we are in our infancy because some people believe if we cater to basically infantile whims for flashy glitz, the "Any promotion is good publicity" crowd, that more participation will magicvally follow...
Cause the reason we're in our infancy, and why guys such as Travvie and Kenny's are only "heroes" when there is weak competition is because there is no depth to the competition.
And there'll only eventually develop skills when there's larger numbers of PARTICIPANTS. When there's 40-50 in your particular class so you're forced to try harder.
And as those with more experience of more brains have pointed out, when the novelty of this sorta stunt wears off---like who even gives a sheeet about X-tream boys doing backflips on moto-cross bikes? Common as dog -poop on the lawn-----the "fans' will watch some other "spaz-tacular spectacle"....
But it's been what 25 years and I have a Road and Track magazine from 1976 also saying "What the US series needs is more cars, more money, more events", hasn't happened yet....
He Gloomy, tell us specifically why you haven't or aren't building a car to enter in rallies? I mean you're in LA: Car Mecca, Media Mecca.
Why are you not----as far as we know since you perpetuate the silly internet habit of posting anonymously---participating?
(Not an attack just wondering how and why people are content to just be fans)
This is for sure true, every country that produce international level rally drivers, has also healty national series with competition, to become a rallydriver is not just a desition, it takes years and years of practise and tough competition, its not always so easy it might look, but it can be done, if you look for instance at norway or estonia 15 years back their rallying was not much to talk about, but today they are both up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa