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My female lab is spayed and male dogs have no interest in her. I haven't had an urge to jump her but will keep her away from Brown, Jon Brow as he doesn't question the nature of his urges.
I'm getting lectures on tolerance from people I'm pretty sure I've seen be intolerant of people referred to as "chavs" and "travelers".
The real issue here tho isn't that Homosexuality is a choice or not, we pretty much all agree that for all intensive purposes it is involuntary. The problem is we don't know how to understand cultures, mainly in the Middle East who don't tolerate it. Heck, we even have people who would peresecute Christian churchs who see it as a sin, even tho none of those churchs actually do anything but say how bad it is.
We may not like the fact not everyone is as enlighted or libreal about this, but a fine line MUST be drawn between opinion on this, and imposing one's views. We must tolerate the fact in our society some groups, such as the RC church and others do NOT accept homosexualty. That said, as long as they don't deny the right of a homosexual to have civic equality or attack them (This is Uganda's crime against humanity), it is alright to not like the whole concept of homosexualty. Still isn't right, but you cant make people THINK as you do.
It is why it is so complex and emotional. Up til a few generations ago, it was a crime against society or at least openly attacked in countries now where it is celebrated in the open. You cannot change a society over night, nor can you expect primative societies to make that change easily.
Uganda, Iran and others are commiting crimes really against the human condition BUT at least we can understand why they do it. We know our society did much the same not 100 years ago. Change isn't easy and it takes generations on something like this. It is a weakness of many in the gay rights movement that they forget the tolerance of their preference is a new one. They automatically assume we should all embrace and love the fact they exist. It isn't my job to embrace or encourage it. It is what it is...part of the human condition.
Ok. I had a lady that lived with me for 6 years. After the first year, she told me her brother in San Francisco wanted to come visit and stay at our house. Ok, whats the problem? "He's gay" "So?" Her previous boyfriend didn't react to her brother very well. Anyway, her brother and his partner came out and stayed a week and we all had a great time. It got to be a twice a year thing. I never saw either of them lamenting about being gay, their lifestlye, or anything negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
That is like my wife's cousin. She has lived with her partner for years, but wouldn't bring Marg to any family events. Through an eventual thawing of her attitude (the cousin was afraid we wouldn't accept her partner, it wasn't us) Marg is now part of the family, and one of my favourite people. Society is learning....and sometimes the Gay's have to accept that we accepted them maybe more than they realized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
Only bisexuals :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
I'd like to thank you Mark, on behalf of the Gay's (sic).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
yea he put a additional handle in the "Scrum"Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I have lesbian cousin who is accepted by the family. She and her now wife got married on a beach in Scotland in August. We didn't go but that was only because they wanted a quiet wedding. It was so low key that the only people who saw it was themselves, the minister and their two witnesses. My cousin had male partners before she came out. She seems happy althogh I do tend to think that the new puppy they have recently purchased is a baby substitute of sorts. C'est la vie.
What happened in Copenhagen is purely political, namely due to China not wishing to be shackled in any way and finding a very convenient person to take the blame in Obama. It had nothing to do with science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
My suggestion that being gay is a result of maternal hormonal imbalances during particular periods of gestation (not genetic) is one that is born out by autopsy studies of gay males compared to heterosexual males and females, and studies of maternal hormone levels. The evidence behind that is quite a lot stronger than yours which appears to be merely anecdotal.
Re: AIDS, statistics show that over 90% of people who contract it are heterosexual. Based on that its a little difficult to claim its a gay disease isn't it?
The reason I find your suggestion that AIDS is a 'gay' disease offensive is that that kind of complacency among straight men makes them vulnerable as they don't take the same precaution. That is why most people who get AIDS now are straight. Ultimately that ignorance costs unnecessary lives. Pointless isn't it.
I defer to you on the Maternal hormonal imbalance theory but I would be curious to know what causes then that imbalance, and why a family could have 3 tough hetero kids and one gay one? Interesting.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H