Jumps are so dangerous, almost everything a spectator dies a jump is involved... And why are such young people so close to the road? I don't understand it...
The driver is of course nothing to blame.
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Jumps are so dangerous, almost everything a spectator dies a jump is involved... And why are such young people so close to the road? I don't understand it...
The driver is of course nothing to blame.
i was there on the rally and our driver was the 1st to stop at the accident, the only thing i want to say is that i praise the organiser for how the way they handled everything after the return of the teams to the service park.
they took the first 10 teams and they could speak about their experience and this helped many young drivers a lot in dealing with this tragic experience.
Do not forget that Andreas is only 20 and our driver is the same age, so a big impact for them all.
its a sad happening and sadly sometimes part of the sport, and many times without blame to the drivers that are involved.
Good, this is horrifying thing and its great that there is help nearbyQuote:
Originally Posted by GTA
The family of the 10 year old girl who died, have told the Norwegian Rally drivers and supporters that they would like them to participate in during the Burial Ceremony this Friday at 1200. The girl was a real rally fan, and had looked forward to Rally Larvik for a long time.
For people that can not go themselves, the association of drivers in the national classes have been told by her family that they would appreciate flowers for the ceremony. People can order flowers from the flower shop below, and they will deliver to the church.
So if anyone here would like to pay their respect as an international rally fan, the option is there.
Email or call this flower-shop:
GRAVDAL BLOMSTER
Sentrum 21
3158, Andebu
NORWAY
[email:ubnynkhr]gravdalblomster@gmail.com[/email:ubnynkhr]
Telephone ext. +47 33443552
very sad news for me... :(
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iskald
Just a few seconds thought and anybody will agree that tarmac iitself gives more grip.
Tarmac on tarmac tires and decent set up meants higher corner speeds.
The most important thing is what the driver---me--expects.
I don't expect or count on fantastic absolute grip on gravel or snow-----
so it is no surprise if I don't have them..
We all expect good grip on tarmac.
Even wet tarmac--with the right tires, we expect grip.
Bearing in mind we can corner faster, which means we're faster down the straight and the regularity of the surface---we expect grip...
And are usually just along for the ride once we lose grip---unlike gravel, recoveries are rare. (And a fair amount of that is probably down to the shape of the footprint of the tires used.)
Tarmac=evil
I used to be a tarmac racer for many years (roundy-roundy stuff) and has driven thousands of kilometres with slicks on racing cirquits. But I have also been a codriver in rallying - and sat beside reading pacenotes in quite a few tarmac rallies. It is very interesting to note the total difference in these two disciplines. Most racing cirquits normally has an even and flat surface with few bumps (even the old Nürburgring...), while tarmac roads very often are uneven and bumpy, making the ride unpredictable and unstable. You just don`t find many jumps with "kickback" on a racing cirquit, while an unsuspecting looking small crest can give a lift-off on a normal road. A road is not a race cirquit, but in tarmac rallying we are trying to use the roads as exactly that. We run rally cars with stiffened and lowered suspension - and we use racing (slick) tyres. A properly set up tarmac rally car functions as a racing car, but is run on something very different from a racing cirquit.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
We should also remember that a tarmac racing driver uses practice and qualifying to learn the track exact every yard round. During many laps you perfect your braking points and apexes .If there are any bumps or uneven patches you know about them, and you know exactly how the cars reacts when you drive across them.
Then turn to tarmac rallying. You do two passes of recce, writing the pacenotes and adjusting them - and the speed is maybe 50-60 km/h. Ever so often you have not driven the stages anytime before. You try to max out the pace notes to use the whole width of the road (sometimes even with cuts with one pair of wheels outside the road surface), and you are taking every possible chance to straightline any part of the road in your pace note description. You are going flat out from the start of the stage, with very little knowledge really about bumps and things that can make the car unstable. You just have to hope that the crest at 5.4 kms - in your notes it`s a keep max left flat over crest - turns out to be a nasty little jump kicking you towards the edge of the road. And if so is the case you will be a passenger instead of a driver, because when you correct your mistake you propably end up losing all your grip. But suddenly it grips again and the car changes direction so fast that you never will react fast enough. The next counterslide just throws you off the road. Exit left or right, and exit rally. This is tarmac rallying.
Tarmac isn`t evil in itself, but maxed-out tarmac rallying can be evil....
Would a "gravel tyres only" rule help on the high-risk-mode in tarmac ?
Less cornering speed = less accidents ? The cars would even slide better = more show ... what do you think ?
And maybe also some cost saving because there would be one less different type of setup (no more tarmac one).
Tragic accidents will always happen no matter what...
once you deal with reality and life as it is you are going to make decisions a lot easier.....i doubt that the fatality was caused due to the speed of the car.
And exactly because of attitudes like this accidents happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The attitude should be that tragic accidents shouldn't happen ever in rally - at least to spectators. The main point of organizers of rallies should be to direct spectators to places where they simply cannot get hit by a car. Some areas should be banned completely and for professionals spotting these places is easy as a walk in the park.
A rally is no place to be a heroic spectators and to play a superman watching the cars as close as possible. That's no heroism, that's pure stupidity.