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19th June 2009, 06:04
mwr120675

Get the popcorn ready this is going to be good!
19th June 2009, 06:32
gloomyDAY

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Originally Posted by mwr120675

Get the popcorn ready this is going to be good!

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19th June 2009, 06:47
Ent

Well, its pretty obvious from this thread and others in other forum who the fans will support. The FIA will end up with just another lower formula competition. For most people, "F1" will simply shift name to whatever FOTA wants to call it and continue on, minus Max, Bernie and the tracks that F1 use.

The question is, what tracks would you recommend for each country, taking into account the current ones would be contractually obliged to not hold FOTA events.

Australia: Could return to Adelaide.
UK: Silverstone will be available from next year.
US: Thanks to Max/Bernie killing the US GP, all tracks would be OK.
Canada: Same as US.
Japan: Fuji? Not sure of the situation with Suzuka, which is owned by Honda.

Others...?
19th June 2009, 07:23
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by ioan

Or he bought a shotgun and he's hunting down Max! :D

Whip, man, whip. Max likes whips!!
19th June 2009, 07:29
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

Why not? Why should we not love these teams as much as the others.

I'm annoyed with this as much as you. I've grown up with McLaren, Ferrari, (BMW) Sauber, Toyota, Renault, etc, but there were times when those teams struggled and were small, and had no money.

This notion of 'Formula GP3' is a disgrace, and these comments were made by people who should know better. Not to pick on Alonso, but he drove for Minardi at first. A VERY small team who did well just to compete. I dare say most of the new teams will be more competitive than Minardi even in their first year. (I loved Minardi I'm just making a point.)

Mark Webber drove for Minardi. Massa drove for Sauber. As did Raikkonen. Glock drove for Jordan. Trulli drove for Minardi. Heidfeld drove for Jordan at their lowest point.

All the aforementioned guys, and anyone else with the same situation shouldn't be mocking and frankly insulting these new teams. People didn't say the same about Super Aguri, Midland, Spyker, Force India (I know the last three were the same team).

Give the new guys a chance and see what they can make of their opportunity. This is THE chance to cement their legacy.

A voice in the wilderness. The only relevant word here is cement. :rolleyes:
19th June 2009, 07:35
Cozzie

As much as I have longed for a breakaway I really do hope they avoid doing what happened in the US in the nineties with the IRL/ChampCar war.

Opens up lots of questions though:

Circuits?
Drivers?
TV?
What will happen for the remainder of 08?
Will Max make an attempt to reconcile once the ego dies down and he realises what he has lost?
Will Max pick up anyone he can for F3+?
What will Lola make of the situation?

This is gonna be good...
19th June 2009, 07:41
Easy Drifter

I do not think it is over yet.
I feel that some compromise will still occur. That said I expect Mad Max will be toast. Maybe not immediately, but very soon.
If the break does occur the Demented Midget just might eventually side with the FOTA teams, if they let him. I wouldn't count on that.
He will try and go where he thinks there is the most money to be made.
Although logistics and finances might be a problem I see no reason why a track could not hold races for both the FIA F1 and FOTA. The tracks the Demented Midget controls, Turkey for example, will go where he goes.
As far as tires go I expect Michelin would be in there like a dirty shirt if they can. They have no love for the FIA. Bridgestone could easily supply FOTA as Firestone and continue as Bridgestone with the FIA.
The drivers will go as their contracts demand, or when they expire where the money is.
All said and done a split will hurt the sport immensely. All you have to do is look at the IRL/CART/CC mess.
One big difference is the FIA do not control any track of the importance that Indy was/is in the US.
Monaco is closest but they could easily go FOTA or even run 2 races.
The FIA does have one strong card in the threat to lift licences/sanctions/track permits.
Mad Max has said they won't but we know how good his word is.
Of course, FOTA can play the FIM card which probably would at least partially offset a FIA ban.
If they do split I expect Williams and Force India will lose their engine suppliers and go with Cosworth so Mad Max will basically be closer to his spec series.
Again I still think an agreement will be reached. Probably not for a few weeks.
Unfortunately I have been wrong before!
I wonder what would happen, because of their contracts, if Ferrari, Red Bull and Torro Rosso showed up at the first FIA race next year with the current cars, which would be totally illegal. Even if they were allowed to race they would run out of fuel part way through. Then what Mad Max? :eek:
19th June 2009, 07:42
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Ent

Well, its pretty obvious from this thread and others in other forum who the fans will support. The FIA will end up with just another lower formula competition. For most people, "F1" will simply shift name to whatever FOTA wants to call it and continue on, minus Max, Bernie and the tracks that F1 use.

The question is, what tracks would you recommend for each country, taking into account the current ones would be contractually obliged to not hold FOTA events.

Australia: Could return to Adelaide.
UK: Silverstone will be available from next year.
US: Thanks to Max/Bernie killing the US GP, all tracks would be OK.
Canada: Same as US.
Japan: Fuji? Not sure of the situation with Suzuka, which is owned by Honda.

Others...?

This is interesting. Are the tracks contractually obliged to hold an F1 race, rather than NOT to hold any other race?

For instance, Albert Park is actually a public road, and what is to prevent the Melbourne City Council from holding a race , any race there later in the year ?(except for the local people who may object to the noise and disruption, which is something else).

Then, there are tracks all over Europe that are not being used for F1 and which would be suitable for FOTA. If we tried hard, we could probably name around 16 tracks easily.

Ferrari is the key here, always. Whither they go, most of the other teams would follow. The other key collective are the drivers. The only decent driver left in F1 will be Rosberg.
19th June 2009, 07:47
wmcot

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

Rosberg doesn't have a FOTA contract.

So next year we will have:

Williams
Force India
USF1
Manor
Campos

and who else I wonder?

Does it matter?
19th June 2009, 07:48
VkmSpouge

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Originally Posted by ioan

Care to elaborate?!
Please do list the 10 FIA teams!

I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick of what I was trying to say; I was comparing the 2009 championship with the 10 current teams to the proposed breakaway 2010 FOTA series of 8 teams.
Of course at the moment the 2010 FIA championship will be 50% weaker in terms of grid numbers and despite the number of new teams applying for entry, I seriously doubt all of them would be able to enter next year.
So there will be two weaker series though I must say FOTA's series looks more likely succeed simply because it does have all the big names.

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