WRC 1.6T or IRC S2000

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Originally Posted by Iskald

You`re not a hawk, dimviii. You`re just like me and many others, who actually like WRC-cars and think they are a damn bit faster and more spectacular than both Gr. N and S2000. There has been a trend on this forum to argue that S2000 is more spectacular and fun to watch than WRC. Now someone tries to convince us that there isn`t actually a visual difference between WRC and Gr. N. Honestly I can`t understand that at all, unless my own eyes deceives me totally.

But then again, I`m an old geezer and need glasses for reading newspapers...

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There are two points for me.
Number one is if a wrc car is more spectacular than a s2k - n4 car.For me there is no question whatever corner,tarmac,gravel,uphill,downhill,mud etc.
Number two is about the competition in these championships.For me again there is no question .IRC is much better,fresh,new rallys,and the best reason for me is that you don t have a clue about who is going to win every rally.

if i had to choose,i d choose IRC with no doubt.
If i had to choose just a car yes it had to be a wrc.
But the best car with no competition is zero.IMO.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Yoy mean that when you are in a ss you can t see the difference in speed between wrc and N4 car? :dozey:

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I think it’s more about feeling. You now a N4 is slower so it also looks slower. My point was to show that on a 100 view (which is quite long in some rallies) the time difference is not big. 83,76 km/h is about 10% higher than 76,31 km/h and 4,72 sec is about 10% longer than 4,3 sec.

At least for me the sound of a rally car is essential and S2000 has good sound and WRC cars once had good sound. The other thing is more sliding and I’m convinced it will be more spectacular if the active centre diff is banned. More nice 4-wheel sliding true the corners.

WRc may be a lot faster than S2000, but the sound seems quite oposite, i might go with s2000 too.
But the thing that turns me off is the TV editing and sequence that eurosport do with IRC, always puts me to sleep! no matter the hotter (as in great action) the rally is, the tv production just don't seem interested on reflecting that through the screen... If wrc's production of the tv shows is not all that good, compared to IRC's is FAR BETTER; remember i0m just talking of days highlights or event highlights, not live stages.

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Originally Posted by OldF

The other thing is more sliding and I’m convinced it will be more spectacular if the active centre diff is banned. More nice 4-wheel sliding true the corners.

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Me too. That Fabia in the video I liked to earlier is handling like a proper rally car (sliding, opposite locking, even some scandinavian flicking).. and not like a hovercraft (Focus)

As I said before, I believe that they way the car handles and sounds is at least as important as the outright speed. I'd even go as far as to say, that if you put the Focus through that very same stage as the Fabia, 9 out of 10 "normal" people (ie. not rally forum freaks) watching on tv will think the Fabia is at least as fast.

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Originally Posted by playmo

But the thing that turns me off is the TV editing and sequence that eurosport do with IRC, always puts me to sleep! no matter the hotter (as in great action) the rally is, the tv production just don't seem interested on reflecting that through the screen... If wrc's production of the tv shows is not all that good, compared to IRC's is FAR BETTER; remember i0m just talking of days highlights or event highlights, not live stages.

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Although I'm a big fan of what IRC is doing, I'm inclined to agree with you to an extent there. I wasn't too impressed with the day reports on Eurosport last weekend (the 30 minutes edited highlights programme shown this week was better) The WRC programming is certainly slicker, although I still prefer the IRCs matter-of-fact commentary to the silly bugger pretend live WRC commentary.

[quote="OldF"]I think it’s more about feeling. You now a N4 is slower so it also looks slower. My point was to show that on a 100 view (which is quite long in some rallies) the time difference is not big. 83,76 km/h is about 10% higher than 76,31 km/h and 4,72 sec is about 10% longer than 4,3 sec.

At least for me the sound of a rally car is essential and S2000 has good sound and WRC cars once had good sound. QUOTE]


I think you need glasses, you too, OldF, if you really can`t see the visual difference.

At least you don`t need a hearing aid ;-)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

...IRC is much better,fresh,new rallys,and the best reason for me is that you don t have a clue about who is going to win every rally....IMO.

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I just feel exactly the same! Many people have found In IRC things that gradually started fading In WRC...
It's It is no coincidence, that IRC has grabbed so much reputation,
which Is growing day after day.

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Originally Posted by Iskald

I think you need glasses, you too, OldF, if you really can`t see the visual difference.

At least you don`t need a hearing aid ;-)

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Excuse me, I didn’t hear what you’re saying. I already have glasses. Maybe I should by binoculars or even a telescope. :eek:

OK, the difference is noticeable but as I said my point was to show how small the time difference is.

“but the hand is quicker than the eye
only a stranger knows why”

Rainbow / Magic

What about a N/A 2.9 Cosworth V6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEhv2IRnV4&fmt=18

Sounds fecking awesome and has plenty of power :D

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Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth

What about a N/A 2.9 Cosworth V6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEhv2IRnV4&fmt=18

Sounds fecking awesome and has plenty of power :D

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Oh yeah, was out watching the Plains on Saturday and you could hear it miles away. Awesome, that is how a Rally car should sound. Pity it retired.