Senna...a sportsman ?

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3rd May 2009, 17:05
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by studiose

And occasionally, that indomitable will/need to win led to behaviour that just wasn't/isn't acceptable...

Who say what is acceptable and what is not?
3rd May 2009, 17:08
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Respect is paid when respect is due....and Senna didn't earn my respect.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: I am sure that saddened him greatly during his life that some internet nobody did not respect him.

Hilarious stuff.
3rd May 2009, 17:39
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I love it how some (mostly prost/ferrari) fans cry about Suzuka 1990, but omit to mention how that little bitch prost tried to ram out Senna the year before at the same race and when he couldnt do it properly, he had to get his asshole friend Balestre to finish the job for him. I personally, after the treatment Senna had at Suzuka both of these years, would have done the same he did, floored it and made sure Prost was out of the race. In fact, I remember myself laughing and being quite happy about what Senna did, justice was done.

I do not think that any true motor racing enthusiast should ever be pleased to see something like that happen, no matter what one's allegiance might be.
3rd May 2009, 17:40
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: I am sure that saddened him greatly during his life that some internet nobody did not respect him.

Hilarious stuff.

Why bother offering any opinions on here, then?
3rd May 2009, 17:43
elis

DANIEL.

Whoo-hoo, Way to go little boy :rolleyes: Listen up & listen up good.

DO NOT change other peoples comments, to amuse yourself, when you quote them, it does NOTHING but show up a frankly pathetic arrogance, akin to that of your buddy tamburello.

The very fact that Hitler was brought up in ANY context in a motorsport forum shows abject crassness to the hilt by it's very inclusion, plus knowing as we do, the posters personal opinion of Senna, the fact that he elected to make a Hitler reference when in the Remembrance thread was hardly an 'innocent' move, & no matter what the wording anyone with half a nouce could deduce the implication.

imo
3rd May 2009, 17:47
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I do not think that any true motor racing enthusiast should ever be pleased to see something like that happen, no matter what one's allegiance might be.

I was not a fan of Senna, although I have to admit I greatly admired his will to succeed and his "only winning counts" mentality.
I just thought it was justice that was done to Prost after the stunts he and Balestre pulled in 1989 and 1990.
I dont think that makes me any less or more a racing enthusiast.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Why bother offering any opinions on here, then?

I fail to see the relevance of what you said.
3rd May 2009, 17:54
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I was not a fan of Senna, although I have to admit I greatly admired his will to succeed and his "only winning counts" mentality.
I just thought it was justice that was done to Prost after the stunts he and Balestre pulled in 1989 and 1990.
I dont think that makes me any less or more a racing enthusiast.

I'm afraid I do, because I don't think that there is any room in motorsport for retribution in that way, especially in circumstances that could have been highly dangerous (unlike the tangle between Senna and Prost the previous year, which was probably unnecessary, but extremely mild). I also do not believe there is any actual evidence for the 'French conspiracy' that you described.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I fail to see the relevance of what you said.

What is wrong with tamburello saying that Senna lost his respect in that way? That statement was no different to your comment above about Irvine having been arrogant towards Senna. I could just as easily have responded to that, or any of the other opinions you or anyone else expresses, in the same way as you responded to tamburello.
3rd May 2009, 18:05
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by tamburello

If you don't like it, if you really are so insecure that other people hold valid dislikes of a man who could and did act like a thug and a bully, then tough.

You're speaking about Senna or yourself? Help me out here.
3rd May 2009, 18:11
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I'm afraid I do,

I am sure you will not be very greatly surprised when I say that I really am not even in the slightest bothered by that.

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because I don't think that there is any room in motorsport for retribution in that way

Why are you not attacking prost then? After all, his desire to get one back at Senna was the cause behind the crash in 1989, because Senna had him his bitch the previous 2 seasons.

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especially in circumstances that could have been highly dangerous (unlike the tangle between Senna and Prost the previous year, which was probably unnecessary, but extremely mild).

Yes, it was dangerous for sure, but motor racing is dangerous.
I am not saying what Senna did was right, but it has been overblown as an incident, when there have been so many dangerous other accidents, but they seem to be completely overlooked.

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I also do not believe there is any actual evidence for the 'French conspiracy' that you described.

Did Balestre not actually confess to helping Prost? In any case, one has to be quite naive to think Senna was given fair treatment by Balestre.

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What is wrong with tamburello saying that Senna lost his respect in that way? That statement was no different to your comment above about Irvine having been arrogant towards Senna. I could just as easily have responded to that, or any of the other opinions you or anyone else expresses, in the same way as you responded to tamburello.

Tamburello said that Senna never earned his respect and it speaks volumes about how importantly he views himself. I find that hilarious.
3rd May 2009, 18:18
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by elis

The very fact that Hitler was brought up in ANY context in a motorsport forum shows abject crassness to the hilt by it's very inclusion, plus knowing as we do, the posters personal opinion of Senna, the fact that he elected to make a Hitler reference when in the Remembrance thread was hardly an 'innocent' move, & no matter what the wording anyone with half a nouce could deduce the implication.

imo

Hyperbole is often just something that makes those of a certain intellectual level believe that they have hit an ace. Usually I encounter those who bring up the Nazis or Hitler on political boards. That someone would bring it up here is rather telling... sad, but telling.

Whether I agree with someone or not, I believe that everyone is entitled to an opinion. It's the explanation of the opinion that often makes things interesting. With some people, if you let them talk long enough, they will make your point for you. At some base level, their opinion might be valid. But the roadmap they used to get there probably looks like a deep fried pretzel. IMO, some people are making very valid points in regard to Senna (positive and negative). And some... well... maybe time to come out of the deep fryer.

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