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17th April 2009, 12:20
ioan

Also I can't help but notice that while other teams are continuously improving their cars with all kind of new parts (like Mclaren's new diffuser) the Ferrari team only manages to bring invisible developments that doesn't seem to move them forward.

Radical problem need radical solutions not refining small detail of a useless solution.

A few years ago they would bring plenty of new parts for testing in order to improve things, now they barely dare to do something like if they are afraid not to make it worse.
Well, it can't get worse than no points at all, so they better pull their fingers out and start working hard.
17th April 2009, 12:31
Shalafi

Well, Kimi said after todays practice that "car isnt awful, but we are just not getting anywhere (Ferrari is just slow)."

It really seems very difficult at the moment. Im sure Ferrari will get much better during the season but it doesnt matter if they lose points to the leaders at this rate. Maybe they should already start to working with next years car if things dont improve quickly.
17th April 2009, 12:35

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well, it can't get worse than no points at all, so they better pull their fingers out and start working hard.

Ioan, my fellow tifosian, I fear it is worse than just not working hard enough at the moment.

Talentless, directionless fools can work their arses off but they will still be talentless and directionless....just tired as well.

The current situation is solely down to the very people who have produced this situation, so I have little faith that they can turn it around no matter how many hours they work.
17th April 2009, 14:33
ioan

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Ioan, my fellow tifosian, I fear it is worse than just not working hard enough at the moment.

Talentless, directionless fools can work their arses off but they will still be talentless and directionless....just tired as well.

The current situation is solely down to the very people who have produced this situation, so I have little faith that they can turn it around no matter how many hours they work.

So why did they not keep Todt in better esteem?
I'm starting to be a bit worried about this all Italian team dream.
19th April 2009, 01:16
Bagwan

Kimi says :
“It would have been useful to run it on at least one car to understand the situation better .”

He's talking about KERS .

They are not talking like a team .

This isn't good .
19th April 2009, 03:07
mstillhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioan

Also I can't help but notice that while other teams are continuously improving their cars with all kind of new parts (like Mclaren's new diffuser) the Ferrari team only manages to bring invisible developments that doesn't seem to move them forward.

Radical problem need radical solutions not refining small detail of a useless solution.

A few years ago they would bring plenty of new parts for testing in order to improve things, now they barely dare to do something like if they are afraid not to make it worse.
Well, it can't get worse than no points at all, so they better pull their fingers out and start working hard.

Especially when you hear Briatore saying that they were able to improve their car performance over night by just putting pieces together with their hands
and a couple of file. That's very telling of Briatore's ability - and Alonso's as well for that matter - to turn a losing team into a winning team - kind of - with a low budget team very rapidly (nothing comparable to the big ones anyway).
19th April 2009, 03:15
mstillhere

It gets even better. Read this: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...18173818.shtml. What a bunch of quitters. Renault able to improve their car overnight and these guys are already giving up after they kept in f........... everything up last year and this year and they getting ready to do the same for next year unless the whole team gets totally fired from the forst guys to the last - excluding the mechanics obviously and Monty.
19th April 2009, 04:00
markabilly

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

It gets even better. Read this: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...18173818.shtml. What a bunch of quitters. Renault able to improve their car overnight and these guys are already giving up after they kept in f........... everything up last year and this year and they getting ready to do the same for next year unless the whole team gets totally fired from the forst guys to the last - excluding the mechanics obviously and Monty.

The title chase for 2009 was over at the end of 2006........it just took a long time for them to slide down to the bottom.....but do not worry, they still got a way to go before Force India starts whipping their tail, max style
19th April 2009, 07:10
Dzeidzei

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagwan

Kimi says :
“It would have been useful to run it on at least one car to understand the situation better .”

He's talking about KERS .

They are not talking like a team .

This isn't good .

Kimi also critisized the team for running all the supersoft sets during quali. No fresh sets for the race, zero chance for any tactics, no KERS to overtake in the start, no nothing.

They´ll be happy to score any points today.
19th April 2009, 07:25
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagwan

Kimi says :
“It would have been useful to run it on at least one car to understand the situation better .”

He's talking about KERS .

They are not talking like a team .

This isn't good .

Massa also was vocal about the lack of KERS during qualifying and race start.

It's good that the drivers are finally raising the voice in order to pressure the engineers.

What I do not understand is why, after it was obvious that taking KERS out didn't improve the balance of the car (according to both drivers and engineers) they didn't put it back on?!

It would have given them a couple of tenths in term of lap times and that would have mean that Massa would have made it into Q3 and Kimi would have got a better starting position, not to mention they would have had a much needed advantage at the start.

It bothers me that they manage to understand the situation but seem to take the wrong decisions.

So KERS is not 100% reliable, that doesn't mean that they can't use it for a couple flying laps during qualifying and for the start, and then just turn it off if they are so afraid of it.

Also Kimi is 100% right that they should have conducted a KERS vs no-KERS car comparison before taking a decision.

What is even more funny is that the drivers have a better view of what should be done than the engineers do.

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