Kovy should've won the race?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Sorry Valve, this is not how I remembered it.

Lewis was not far from SV before he stopped for his first stop.

Seb still had a stop to make and Lewis was on fresh wets. If it had of rained, I think that Lewis would have had him but that is only opinion.

BTW, just how far behind Seb was Lewis at the end? I believe it was less than 30 seconds even though he was involved in the Massa train for quite a few laps.

Take an unscheduled stop out and where would he have been?

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A pit stop was costing 30s approx.

He ended up the race 30s behind. And he did catch up the Massa train, before slipping off after not being able keep pace because of he couldn't sustain that speed as it ripped up his inters.

Before his first pit stop, Hamilton was 1.5s behind Vettel, and both had to make 1 pitstop.

Would he have caught him up? It would have been quick, but if you look at how far behind Vettel he was at end of race, and his first pit stop cost him 31s. I reckon a no would have been the case. And we have to remember Hamilton was pushing on the limit throughout the pace, what we saw was the ultimate pace. With Vettel, who knows, there is a good chance he could have responded if needed.

I was hoping for more from Heikki too... I've been a bit underwhelmed on a few occasions by him; he seems to be far too cautious sometimes which isn't what I've seen from his driving in lower formulas. He did seem really disappointed on the podium and not at all happy with his performance... I just hope he pushes himself more from now on. :(

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

A pit stop was costing 30s approx.

He ended up the race 30s behind. And he did catch up the Massa train, before slipping off after not being able keep pace because of he couldn't sustain that speed as it ripped up his inters.

Before his first pit stop, Hamilton was 1.5s behind Vettel, and both had to make 1 pitstop.

Would he have caught him up? It would have been quick, but if you look at how far behind Vettel he was at end of race, and his first pit stop cost him 31s. I reckon a no would have been the case. And we have to remember Hamilton was pushing on the limit throughout the pace, what we saw was the ultimate pace. With Vettel, who knows, there is a good chance he could have responded if needed.

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It's all subjective though.

The rain didn't come as expected and he finished 7th :D

No drama.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

It's all subjective though.

The rain didn't come as expected and he finished 7th :D

No drama.

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Exactly. Other drivers will have slowed down towards the end so the time differences don't necessarily reflect the differences if everyone had been going at 100% for the whole of the race :)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Sorry Valve, this is not how I remembered it.

Lewis was not far from SV before he stopped for his first stop.

Seb still had a stop to make and Lewis was on fresh wets. If it had of rained, I think that Lewis would have had him but that is only opinion.

BTW, just how far behind Seb was Lewis at the end? I believe it was less than 30 seconds even though he was involved in the Massa train for quite a few laps.

Take an unscheduled stop out and where would he have been?

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Did you follow the race on Live Timing at the same time as the ITV telecast? After the so called unscheduled pit stop (why was there a pit stop, one may ask) the race was virtually over and Lewis was on fresh tyres, or didn't you take that into consideration?

Vettel qualified better, he raced better and he won. End of Story!!

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

A pit stop was costing 30s approx.

He ended up the race 30s behind. And he did catch up the Massa train, before slipping off after not being able keep pace because of he couldn't sustain that speed as it ripped up his inters.

Before his first pit stop, Hamilton was 1.5s behind Vettel, and both had to make 1 pitstop.

Would he have caught him up? It would have been quick, but if you look at how far behind Vettel he was at end of race, and his first pit stop cost him 31s. I reckon a no would have been the case. And we have to remember Hamilton was pushing on the limit throughout the pace, what we saw was the ultimate pace. With Vettel, who knows, there is a good chance he could have responded if needed.

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It seems some Poms can't accept defeat gracefully - they want to play the Shooda Kooda Wooda jive even when they lose.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

It seems some Poms can't accept defeat gracefully - they want to play the Shooda Kooda Wooda jive even when they lose.

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Be careful VB! They'll come out with the fearsome yoghurt remark if you continue like that ;)

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Did you follow the race on Live Timing at the same time as the ITV telecast? After the so called unscheduled pit stop (why was there a pit stop, one may ask) the race was virtually over and Lewis was on fresh tyres, or didn't you take that into consideration?

Vettel qualified better, he raced better and he won. End of Story!!

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No, I didn't follow it on Live Timing but relied on my eyes and the timing on TV :p

Care to post a link so I better understand where you're coming from?

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Originally Posted by wedge

I can't help but think that the Italian GP was there for Kovy to win.

Massa would've won, Lewis would've won, I even think Kimi would've won from that position!

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Massa would have won???? You mean the same guy that made no progress from his starting position even though his strategy was not changed mid race.

Yes Lewis and Kimi could have won if they started from 2nd, but don't kid yourself thinking Massa would have. Not only did Massa make no progress thru the field, 3 of the 5 finishers ahead of him where behind him at the start.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Well, I'm inclined to agree with you. That said, I think its fair to say Vettel had pace, I'd like to think that even Lewis without his extra stop would have struggled to have beaten Vettel.

Lewis, although amazingly quick at some points in the race, used up his tyres much too soon, so his amazingly quick pace wasn't sustainable, so as to whether he would have won is questionable, as I think Vettel may well have had more pace if he needed.

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Lewis was on a one stop strategy that very well could have brought him the win. The reason he used up his 3rd set of tires was because they had to switch from a 1 stopper to a 2 stopper which made him push harder to make up lost ground.