Was Lewis passing Heikki legal?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Here'swhat the team said:

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Oh, team "integrity" and their chronic liar team boss. I'll sure take everything they say with at least a ton of salt.

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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST

Ioan :

I don't read your posts, so I can't comment on others reading what they like from yours.............

Damn it, that means I read one of your posts.............lol

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Don't worry, it's all right for me both ways, read them or not! :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

What if Hamilton couldn't manage to pass Heiki on a fair basis? Isn't it that the results of the race were changed by team orders?

Then why wasn't Renault/Alonso penalised at Canada 2005, for example?

On the season review DVD (not sure if this was televised) Alonso demands the team for Fisi to move over: "I am much quicker!"

Hamilton would've done exactly the same thing and asked the team. Barrichello did exactly the same thing at Spain last year.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You see, I believe they were right to ask Heiki to move over in order to achieve the best possible result for the team.
What bothers me is how some people go to extreme lengths trying to prove it wasn't illegal given that there are rules that state otherwise!

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I think your remark is hypocritical. Another excuse to attack McLaren/Ron 'integrity' Dennis.

If forum members agree with Ron/McLaren actions then some people accuse them of being McLaren fanboys/British patriotism. This is becoming rather tiresome on this forum over the past month or so

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Originally Posted by ioan

Oh, team "integrity" and their chronic liar team boss. I'll sure take everything they say with at least a ton of salt.

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And yet you're quite happy to take an as yet unsubstantiated "something like" comment as gospel.

Pot. Kettle. Black

:s mokin:

So if another member posted what Heiki commented on TV it isn't valuable?!

Given Ron's history of lies, I'm completely entitled to have reservations in believing him. Unless you believe he changed overnight.

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Originally Posted by ioan

So if another member posted what Heiki commented on TV it isn't valuable?!

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It would be more valuable if it was a direct linked quote, as opposed to "something like", so I'll reserve judgement on that one.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'm completely entitled to have reservations in believing him.

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I'd expect nothing less :) But if you discount what Ron has said are you also ignoring the facts that 1) there has been no protest and 2) the FIA (who have access to all team communications) have taken no action over such a 'flagrant rule break'?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

It would be more valuable if it was a direct linked quote, as opposed to "something like", so I'll reserve judgement on that one.

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Heikki said that to MTV3, finnish TV, after the race. Then later when he came out from McLaren motorhome, he was much more reserved with his words...No doubt RD had done his "magic" again...

Here's a stupid rule .

This was a team order .
Ron might have said it in a less blatant way , but it was most definitely a team order .
He even praised his driver afterwards for getting the message .

Though what had happened was very clear , the way Ron worded that message made it so he had completely complied with the rules regarding team orders .

Did I mention that this rule is stupid ?

Team orders are essential , and used regularly at every team , but are expressly forbidden , unless worded in the correct manner , so as not to seem blatant , even though they might look obvious enough to cause heated debate even when worded properly .

If you word it right , you can even thank your man for pulling over .



I wonder what the punishment would have been , had Ron just said he wanted Heikki to let Lewis by .
That would have been horribly illegal .

Just so nobody gets the wrong impression , I want to state that this rule is stupid , in my opinion .

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's bizarre! I thought that if the guy behind you get's in front of you it means that you lost a position! :rolleyes:

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I said ultimately ioan. :rolleyes:
Lewis went on to pass both Junior and Massa, while Kovi never looked like closing the gap to them.

The way I saw it, Kovi may have been able to hold Lewis up for, at the most, a couple of laps but Lewis would have passed him with no more difficulty than the way he passed Junior and Massa.

Of course you might have seen things differently.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Oh, team "integrity" and their chronic liar team boss. I'll sure take everything they say with at least a ton of salt.

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Give it a break, ioan. I can't say more or I'll get banned. :(