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16th July 2008, 11:00
MikeD

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Originally Posted by RS

You have to remember that Freddy was driving the best car on his home rally, which is quite a specialist one.

I know, but if the Ypres rally had Loeb, Hirvonen, Latvala, Sordo, P.Solberg, Galli etc. then Loix wouldn't stand a chance of winning it. That's my main problem with the IRC. The drivers simply aren't world class, and I want to see the best.
I only watch it from time to time to have a look at the beautiful Abarth cars.

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Originally Posted by RS

So what are you going to do when Loeb retires? :D

I'll still watch as much WRC. Maybe support Sordo or Ogier if he proves to be really good. I would still love to see Loeb win a drivers title for Ford though.
16th July 2008, 11:57
wwbroe

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Originally Posted by MikeD

I know, but if the Ypres rally had Loeb, Hirvonen, Latvala, Sordo, P.Solberg, Galli etc. then Loix wouldn't stand a chance of winning it. That's my main problem with the IRC. The drivers simply aren't world class, and I want to see the best.

From all the drivers you are mentioning, i am sure that only Loeb and maybe Sordo could fight for victory. The rest wouldn't make anything in Ypres as they are just not fast enough on asfalt, ans certainly not on the asfalt of Ypres stages. It is a very specific event where not to many drivers would stand a chance if Loix don't have problems.
16th July 2008, 16:17
HaCo

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Originally Posted by MikeD

I know, but if the Ypres rally had Loeb, Hirvonen, Latvala, Sordo, P.Solberg, Galli etc. then Loix wouldn't stand a chance of winning it. That's my main problem with the IRC. The drivers simply aren't world class, and I want to see the best.
I only watch it from time to time to have a look at the beautiful Abarth cars.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Don't forget that the other fast Belgian driver, Duval, was kicked his ass by Loix in the Condroz rally the first day. With kicked ass I mean he was a little bit faster. Now Duval happens to be the only driver who could match the speed on asphalt of Loeb and even beat him (I'm looking forward to Germany).
Loix is a topclass driver, as are some others in IRC. So don't put them on the 'not-world-class-shelf', just because they don't have the money to pay the 'world-class' drive. There are BTW more non-world-class drivers in the WRC then there are of the world-class type...

Now to evaluate your list, on tarmac Loix is certainly faster than Galli, P Solberg, Hirvonen and Latvala. For sure Basso, Vouilloz, Rosetti, Kopecky are as fast or a bit faster/slower than Loix, so imagine what a great competition on an asfalt we would have, if they could all pay the drive.

Telling IRC is for 'slower' drivers is easy talk. I hope we will see Loeb in Monte next year, in a C2 S1600, next to guys like Kris Meeke and Guy Wilks in a topclass FWD car. Let's see who's ass will be kicked then. ;)
16th July 2008, 18:58
Finni

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Now to evaluate your list, on tarmac Loix is certainly faster than Galli, P Solberg, Hirvonen and Latvala.

That's brave statement. In Peugeot Loix was trashed by Grönholm in asphalt. In normal conditions he was 1 sec/km slower than Grönholm. Only in spesific Belgium event could Loix challenge drivers you mentioned.
16th July 2008, 20:06
wwbroe

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Originally Posted by Finni

That's brave statement. In Peugeot Loix was trashed by Grönholm in asphalt. In normal conditions he was 1 sec/km slower than Grönholm. Only in spesific Belgium event could Loix challenge drivers you mentioned.

The time that Loix was in Peugeot 307, it was only in Monte Carlo that he had the opportunity to have the same car as Gronholm. He was sacked by Peugeot after only three events, because he was complaining about the car. The same complaints that later on were proven by other drivers.
The time they put him back in the car (like in Deutschland) he didn't have a decent car, it was stupid Provera with his cigar that only supported Gronholm. Remember also what happened with Carlsson and Bengue in this bul second car. I remember very well the time that Gronholm and Loix were both in Toyota Celica's in Bianchi Rally, and Gronholm didn't touch any wood, he was loosing about a second each kilometer against Loix.
The time he was driving with Mitsu together with Makinen it was Finnish maffia who blocked his career. Let's not make a joke off it, i liked Gronholm very much as a driver but i am very sure that Loix can equal him on asfalt.
He is not as talented as Duval but is for more PR-friendly and still very fast on asfalt. He could not match with the finnisch drivers on gravel, but the times he had a decent car, he did rather well. I rest my case now. :D
16th July 2008, 20:17
Tomi

[quote="wwbroe"] it was Finnish maffia who blocked his career./QUOTE]

Who actually is this maffia, who has so much power that they can block someones carreer? Im sure you dont mean Mitsu testdriver.
16th July 2008, 20:45
HaCo

If Loix would have had the same freedom as he had with Toyota. The unfortunate Richard Burns would probably be able to tell us more about the time with Mitsu next to Makinnen. Others can tell a lot about the 307 as well, of course Mr Gronholm himself.

Of course, these are just reasons to show why Loix never made it to the top and you're right, he didn't. But tell that he is a second slower than Gronholm every km on asphalt is far out of boundaries. Who knows Gronholm will do the same as Auriol does, pick up an S2000 and challenge the IRC guys. Both Gronholm and Auriol think the IRC is a lot more fun and relaxed than the 'almost F1' WRC.

Anyway, Gronholm is no longer in WRC. So he doesn't count any more in the 'world class drivers of WRC' shelf, although he is a TOP driver. So how many 'top class WRC' drivers are there left and do they bring more excitement than IRC?

I hope so, cause the more, the better. I'm happy there are 2 championships so we have to luxury to pick one or even both which I'm doing right now. :)
16th July 2008, 20:49
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Both Gronholm and Auriol think the IRC is a lot more fun and relaxed than the 'almost F1' WRC.

And you have something to back this up?
16th July 2008, 20:51
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by wwbroe

The time he was driving with Mitsu together with Makinen it was Finnish maffia who blocked his career.

I thought this bs was allready past us :rolleyes:
16th July 2008, 21:05
Tomi

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Originally Posted by HaCo

If Loix would have had the same freedom as he had with Toyota. The unfortunate Richard Burns would probably be able to tell us more about the time with Mitsu next to Makinnen. Others can tell a lot about the 307 as well, of course Mr Gronholm himself.

Of course, these are just reasons to show why Loix never made it to the top and you're right, he didn't. But tell that he is a second slower than Gronholm every km on asphalt is far out of boundaries. Who knows Gronholm will do the same as Auriol does, pick up an S2000 and challenge the IRC guys. Both Gronholm and Auriol think the IRC is a lot more fun and relaxed than the 'almost F1' WRC.

Anyway, Gronholm is no longer in WRC. So he doesn't count any more in the 'world class drivers of WRC' shelf, although he is a TOP driver. So how many 'top class WRC' drivers are there left and do they bring more excitement than IRC?

I hope so, cause the more, the better. I'm happy there are 2 championships so we have to luxury to pick one or even both which I'm doing right now. :)

Why dont you tell, instead of running behind the back of a dead driver, you are the one who make the accusations!

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