Nick didn't look too happy .

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BMW Sauber team boss Mario Theissen says he has no plans to bestow number one status on Robert Kubica in the wake of his Montreal victory.
After taking the championship lead thanks to his Canadian Grand Prix win, Kubica called on the team to get fully behind his title bid.
"We are leading the drivers' championship, so I hope the team will give me 100 per cent support to try to maybe defend it until the last race," he said on Sunday.
But Theissen said he was not intending to ask Nick Heidfeld to support Kubica at this stage.
"For the coming races I think we won't switch our strategy," he told autosport.com.
"Both drivers get equal treatment in terms of car, in terms of the team. Then we look at what they can do in qualifying and then on that basis we decide on the race strategy."

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68245

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

And? You're a Ferrari fan, aren't you? I assume your memory stretches back more than a couple of years :p

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I didn't say that they weren't doing the right thing for the team! :p :

I'm only amazed how people are denying it being a case of team orders and say it was purely because Kubica is so much better than Heidfeld.

I would believe it in case Heidfeld who took the lead over Kubica. :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'm only amazed how people are denying it being a case of team orders and say it was purely because Kubica is so much better than Heidfeld.

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But it is only your theory ;)

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I was going to say that test days are normally spread pretty evenly but couldn't find anything to back it up (or didn't have the time!). Thanks Garry.

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http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/tests/

Comprehensive data on all tests from 2003 , If I remember correctly.

No surprise, no answers to the points I raised.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Bull****.
I challenge you to prove that Heidfeld at one point during the race suddenly started lapping 2 seconds per lap slower and that for more than one lap in row.
http://www.f1matrix.it will give you all laptimes

This will be fun.



The only reason he was close was the stupid SC rules and SC, he was 25 seconds behind Kubica without it.
NH was extremely lucky at Canada, not the opposite. The only thing that sucks about him is the fact that Kubica is killing his career with his superior pace.


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For **** Sakes.

Heidfeld was not asked to let Kubica win, he was just not fast enough to win. Unless you can provide evidence Heidfeld was told to let RK win. No hearsay or such will do, PROOF required.

BMW even tried to help him and told him that if Alonso was making him lose time, he should let him pass. But the problem for Nick was that his pace simply wasn`t there when it needed to be on heavy fuel. Sure, his car was heavy. But DC with similar fuel was able to match Heidfelds pace in the Red Bull car.
Kubica would have taken the lead even with the 2nd place.



So far this season no driver has had as many test days as Heidfeld (21). Kubica has 19 test days.
Yeah, BMW are sure screwing nick :rolleyes:

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OK , Garry , just so you don't get feeling too smug about this , I'll reply .

I haven't looked at the lap times , but , Nick was being slowed by keeping Alonso behind . It was the result of the heavy fuel .

Nick was fuelled heavier , so the 25 seconds Robert had were in the pit stop .

Had he fuelled similarly to Robert , he may have been able to keep pace , especially since he would have had to suffer the options for roughly half that time .

As for the test days , that Robert is doing better with less testing than Nick until now is largely irrelevent to right now .
To have 2 drivers dicing for the number one spot on the grid , should be the aim , as that gives the team the best chance .

For Nick , a tiny adjustment in style or set-up may mean it all comes together , but he needs it soon , as the press only sees the winner .
The guy got second , and they have him retired , replaced , and all but commentating .

Bagwan actually made a good point on Nick being quick on a two stopper. I stand corrected.

At the end of his first stint (longer and heavier than Kubica) he was easily doing 1:17.7s and whereas Kubica was struggling to break into the 1:17s.

But still you've got to make best of the strategy given and I still feel nick shouldn't be more more than 10s (at the very least) behind Kubica at the end of the race.

Heidfeld had no option but to get out of Kubica's way. If he held Rob up, it would have affected the team's chances of a 1-2 finish (Nick not having to stop again and Rob still having to make 1 stop). BMW would have looked silly if they didn't get a 1-2 from the position they suddenly found themselves in. Face it... How many more races do u think they will win this year? My guess... 0. And another 1-2 finish? Not for quite some time!

BMW would know that! They've got a plan for winning more races in the future, and getting their driver to challenge for championships. What if you were in their shoes and had to pick a driver to stick with? I'd put money on it being Kubica long before I'd put anything on Heidfeld. Heidfeld put a lot of effort assisting BMW to get where they are... and I'm sure he still has a lot to give to the team. But I doubt he is DWC material.

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Originally Posted by gravity

Heidfeld had no option but to get out of Kubica's way. If he held Rob up, it would have affected the team's chances of a 1-2 finish (Nick not having to stop again and Rob still having to make 1 stop). BMW would have looked silly if they didn't get a 1-2 from the position they suddenly found themselves in. Face it... How many more races do u think they will win this year? My guess... 0. And another 1-2 finish? Not for quite some time!

BMW would know that! They've got a plan for winning more races in the future, and getting their driver to challenge for championships. What if you were in their shoes and had to pick a driver to stick with? I'd put money on it being Kubica long before I'd put anything on Heidfeld. Heidfeld put a lot of effort assisting BMW to get where they are... and I'm sure he still has a lot to give to the team. But I doubt he is DWC material.

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Probably all too true
Clear team strategy advantage went to the Kube,

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Originally Posted by ioan

I didn't say that they weren't doing the right thing for the team! :p :

I'm only amazed how people are denying it being a case of team orders and say it was purely because Kubica is so much better than Heidfeld.

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I've always liked Heidfeld, and like Kubica as well. I think Nick is a great driver, but think Robert is a better driver in most cases. Though it's always possible it was a team order, the debate would be different if there had been another safety car period and the 1 stop strategty benefitted Heidleld over Kubica.

Then everyone could claim Kubica got shafted because he's not German! :)

I personally think that a long term F1 driver like Nick, being a German on a German team, would not be intentionally slowed for the sake of another driver. Were it further into the season with Kubica fighting for the WDC I might consider it, but with all the bizzare incidents in Canada I just can't imagine the team predicting them all and adjusting strategy based on what eventually happened.