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Originally Posted by Ucci

I like this: Porsche, Porsche, Porsche....and this was rally, no circuit racing. Go, Porsche....legends!

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You simply can't beat the sound of a Flat-6 Porsche...... a modern turbocharged Rallycar sounds pathetic after them.

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Originally Posted by Ucci

I like this: Porsche, Porsche, Porsche....and this was rally, no circuit racing. Go, Porsche....legends!

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I dont like this because "Porsche, Porsche, Porsche" and changes regulations because of them killed rallysport in Spain. That is why we will not have in close future new Carlos Sainz or Dani Sordo...

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Originally Posted by Leon

I will be in Belgium from the 24th of November for a week. Are there any motorsport events during that period

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The Belgian rally-season will be pretty much over I'm afraid. On Sunday the 25th there's a "shortrally"in Saint-Roch, where they drive 4x 2 stages, but it's just an amateur event, I would not really recommend going there but it still can be fun. :)

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

You simply can't beat the sound of a Flat-6 Porsche...... a modern turbocharged Rallycar sounds pathetic after them.

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That's true but all those top Porsches in Spain are circuit supercup cars with traction control etc. Far from stock GT3 car...

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Originally Posted by Francis44

I think that video is speeded up severely. Plus Im not sure speed info is correct.

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That speed is correct, believe me ... :-)

About GT cars, they're nice to see! Speaking about Belgian GT cars: once developed they are relatively cheap in maintenance-costs, of course the cost of development can be huge (thinking about Van Woensel his 350Z and 370Z for example). I remember Guy Colsoul (Colsoul Rallysport, specialist of Mitsubishi Lancer's, since the first ones already) complaining that RACB allowed teams to develop their own "modern Group B car". I think GT cars are good for the popularity of the sport in a national competition, but they should be kept slower than the top class in that national championship (WRC or S2000).

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Originally Posted by PLuto

I dont like this because "Porsche, Porsche, Porsche" and changes regulations because of them killed rallysport in Spain. That is why we will not have in close future new Carlos Sainz or Dani Sordo...

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Here I can't agree with you-Porsche is simply not responsible or even guilty for Spain not to have any new D.Sordo or even driver like ''El Matador'' C.Sainz....You should look the reason(s) in a destroyed economical situation in Spain, it is the same situation in at least half EU countries, no $$$$, no investments in future rally stars......OK, enough of this sad story.....
Secondly, to maintain 911 GT3 Cupis far from costs of ownership of S2000. You can buy few years 911 GT3 Cup for 70-80.000 eur, than transfer it for rally, buy few sets of tyres and rims, and you are already on a winning course. The car is very reliable and though, the engine itself is bulletproof and belive me, much more attractive for spectating than WRC, not to mention S2000 or even N4...
But, there is one big barrier: normal rally drivers do not have enough big testicles to drive this beast on the limit. You are in constant contact with top drivers-ask them if they are enough brave?? All what can they do, is yust complaining & looking for consolation in comparing horspower number against their cars...but in the same time they forget the weight balance, traction in wet or even mud, the design of the car, which was never intend for rally...

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Originally Posted by Ucci

Here I can't agree with you-Porsche is simply not responsible or even guilty for Spain not to have any new D.Sordo or even driver like ''El Matador'' C.Sainz....You should look the reason(s) in a destroyed economical situation in Spain, it is the same situation in at least half EU countries, no $$$$, no investments in future rally stars......OK, enough of this sad story.....
Secondly, to maintain 911 GT3 Cupis far from costs of ownership of S2000. You can buy few years 911 GT3 Cup for 70-80.000 eur, than transfer it for rally, buy few sets of tyres and rims, and you are already on a winning course. The car is very reliable and though, the engine itself is bulletproof and belive me, much more attractive for spectating than WRC, not to mention S2000 or even N4...
But, there is one big barrier: normal rally drivers do not have enough big testicles to drive this beast on the limit. You are in constant contact with top drivers-ask them if they are enough brave?? All what can they do, is yust complaining & looking for consolation in comparing horspower number against their cars...but in the same time they forget the weight balance, traction in wet or even mud, the design of the car, which was never intend for rally...

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Here I can't agree with you-Porsche is simply responsible for situation in Spain. Biggest problem is that they allowed supercup porsches to start in rally and allowed them to put lot of "additional things" into the car (like traction control etc). Due to this situation, it was almost no possible to beat the top cars, which was very fast with also average driver. Thats why they started to allowing more upgrades for other cars (bigger restrictor in N4, lower weight in S2000), everything was more expensive and result not so good. And most of this cars was not able to start abroad as in fact they were absolutely out of international homologation. Lot of manufacturers was not happy with this situation and finished with their support of spanish rallysport...

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Originally Posted by PLuto

Here I can't agree with you-Porsche is simply responsible for situation in Spain. Biggest problem is that they allowed supercup porsches to start in rally and allowed them to put lot of "additional things" into the car (like traction control etc). Due to this situation, it was almost no possible to beat the top cars, which was very fast with also average driver. Thats why they started to allowing more upgrades for other cars (bigger restrictor in N4, lower weight in S2000), everything was more expensive and result not so good. And most of this cars was not able to start abroad as in fact they were absolutely out of international homologation. Lot of manufacturers was not happy with this situation and finished with their support of spanish rallysport...

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You won't convince me: the Spain carmarket collapsed in resent years, the importers simply do not have any extra mony to pay for the expenses of serious engagement in Spanish chaimpionship, bigger restriction for N4 cars is already valid at least five years and did not bring anything since the S2000 were still faster.
And by the way: Valejo, Fuster and Pons are no average drivers.....this is almost insult for them. They are known for their successes before Porsche times.....