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In Sweden we have group E and F, cars older than 12 years, floating age.
Gr E: >15kg/kW, typical car Astra 1,6, Golf GT 1,8 (1986) Golf III
Gr F: >12kg/kW Volvo 940, Golf GTI, etz.
Strict rules. No changes in engine and gearbox. All safety devices needed like rollcage, seats, belts etz..
Used cars for sale from 2500 Euros (25000 SEK) in Sweden. Almost as fun to drive in rallies... :)
In Finland we have also these V1600 cars which are very close to stock cars and very cheap to run. Maybe pantealex or someone else can explain them better.
Almost 50 Rally5 cars enterd for Rallye le Touquet tell me that there is something right about them.
Impressive with 50 Clios, and we have alsready seen that the Rally5 version is very quick, compared to old R1's.
Is there some discount or compensation for members of the french Clio trophy?
Petter just joined Sohlberg on twitch
https://www.twitch.tv/officialkristiansohlberg
Some great stories so far, surprised I hadn't heard them before.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Lots of promotion by renault i assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But they seem to hit the right spot. Not too very expensive to buy and run, but fast enough to actually feel like rallying.
They are kinda what the clio2 group N and A were/are. In france many of those are still around, and i suspect lots of those drivers might switch to a new r5.
Clio Trophy has very nice prices.
Everybody gets 2 tyres every rally, after 3 rallies you get €1000.
1st place in a rally gets you €5500 (some cash, some spare parts), €900 extra for 1st Junior.
1st in het championship gets you €5000 spare parts + 10 tyres. 1st Junior at the end of the season gets a program with Renault Sport in the Rally4.
1st team gets to run that program with the Rally4.
There are is a trophy for Gentlemen drivers as well. Female crews can enter the Trophy for free.
There is free catering, spare parts service, engineer at every rallye...
So in total, this is just a very good championship. The car isn't cheap, but a lot cheaper than any other new manufacturer car.
Full info: https://www.cliorally.com/IMG/pdf/20...delines_en.pdf
BAR TALK: ON
- Do you think "Im ruinning WRC"? (Sorry for the long post)
I got into WRC in 2014/15 because of Rallycross. But I have been following the championship by watching the dialy highlights from WRC+ or RedBullTV. Sometimes I watch one live stage but thats it.
But I've been thinking that this is probably terrible for the series... dont you think?
I mean, what is the % of fans watching lots of live stages on WRC+ vs fans like me that watch only the 3 day highlights? If most of the fans around the world just watch the three 25min highlights, what would be the point for WRC? I mean... why to have multi-million buck programs and cars if a huge % of fans are only watching 25+25+25min of the whole events?
- I was thinking this because indycar and nascar are thinking about having a "netflix show", like F1 does.
But IMO thats so bad for motorsports. I work at a bar and everyday someone talks about racing and I say that "im a racing fan"... Then these young people say "Oh, Im a F1 fan". But when we chat, I always realize that they only watch F1's netflix show, the "funny radio" highlights and those "WTF1" youtubers talking about the race (but actually they focus on the gossip. Like "oh Max was so angry at Lewis" or whatever).
Basically the current F1 fan DONT WATCH the race, only these Gossip Focused things. So then theres the question: Why are F1 teams wasting half billion bucks in their programs if fans only watch the gossip and the highlights?
It looks "the future of motorsport" is not electric or hybrid (Cuz I honestly dont fall for "road relevance" in motorsports. Thats only P.R... and racing is just money laundry for big companies). The future of motorsport is 20min of gossip about drivers angry at each other, highlighs of the younger drivers talking sh**t on twitch and 5 min of actual race highlights... So, whats the point?
I understand that this is how we consume media right now. You guys are probably scanning this post searching for something usefull for you.. I know that. Cuz this is how we consume media right now. People (even more for youngsters) just want some quick dopamine rush or we lose our attention. This is what social media has done to us... even if you dont use it, like myself (only foruns).
So... what is "the future of motorsport"? Are we ruinning everything? Do you even think about this? haha
(again, sorry for this long randon thougth. Baah)
Cheers
Something I've found rather depressing is that rallying would actually work in a documentary kind of format, like the F1 Netflix show, where the story of a rally could be properly told. The rally films of the 70s and 80s are what made rallying. Rather than the formulaic world feed style, soulless, cut and paste 25m highlights package that defined the ISC/North One era, something far more original could be created given more time. Taking the UK for example, if the general public has no idea when a WRC round actually was, would it matter if a 'film' telling the story of the rally was shown the following week on a late Saturday afternoon on BBC2 (terrestrial channel)? Anyone drawn into the sport by those could then go on to follow the rallies live on premium sports channels/WRC+ All Live. You can narrate a film in different languages.
Obviously, turning around a film/documentary in a week would be a challenge and compromises would have to be made, but can we honestly say the 'as live' highlights are the best expression of this sport? I appreciate the Red Bull highlights with Mike Chen were better than the standard format ones though, but how many people watch Red Bull TV?
Coincidentally, Save Lancia put this old film on their fb page this week:
https://www.facebook.com/savelancia/...80092713685626
Remember watching this 30 years ago.
lets sing with the Hyundai guys cause weekend is head https://www.instagram.com/p/CMT7YM4n8L3/
To me it seems F1 has always had more friction between the drivers. Rally drivers have always been friends with each other outside the stages, having dinners together, practicing together (when practice was more free to arrange) outside team borders. I think it has to do with them not having to race against each other directly, with overtakings and possible collisions (remember the things Senna and Prost were involved in). In a way, the friction also creates drama, which is probably only beneficial for F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Rally drivers spend a lot more time together. In f1 they are with their own team all day, and only meet at the track or during driver meetings.
In rally drivers spend a lot of their day together. Waiting to start a stage, waiting in regroup, waiting for service.
Especially the wrc drivers, who are always starting close to each other.
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/03/...iii-1979-1986/
The third part of my WRC Calendar History focuses on the early years of drivers championship and the Group B era. When did WRC Rally New Zealand take place on the South island? When did Swedish Rally start from Stockholm? When did Argentina have snow on the route? Find out here.
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/03/...-iv-1987-1988/
In 1987 rallies were made shorter and slower, with more breaks. In 1988 all rallies had to arrange a super special. Even Monte, Corsica and Safari.
if you miss rally at the moment and want to see something, 24h of clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxnPezvf6UE
A lot of RWD Volvos on swedish clips. Just search for swedish rallying...
Why is Subaru America so successful? Lesbians and Rally fans... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89rGdJVDiOM
If nothing else, this video highlights how highly the American division values rallying. This in a country where rallying is a very niche sport. It's almost incomprehensible that by comparison, almost everywhere else in the world where rallying is more popular, Subaru acts like it is ashamed of its rallying past. Funny enough, Subaru of America is the part of the business keeping the entire company afloat...
What was the first twin-car super special in WRC? When did Rally Argentina return to Tucuman? What was the last year Ivory Coast was a part of the WRC calendar? When did the RAC Rally allow reconnaissance for the whole route? Find out here.
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/03/...y-v-1989-1993/
I wouldn't normally post this, but just out of curiosity, what do people in this section make of NASCAR's gravel oval race? Almost unbelievable... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noMeyPDW_5w
The gravel isn't being cleared, as it appears, the gravel is getting rubbered in!
It's a neat idea but the way NASCAR races are run these days with pauses killed the interest I used to have watching those cars trying to manage Watkins Glen. There are lots of small dirt tracks all over the US much like rallycross circuits in Europe and they're lots of fun. Combine it with a county fair and you have beer, animals, crops, a few races and a concert by an 80s hair metal band or a cover group and it's a great night.
Correct me if I’m wrong but it looks more like the dirt is being worn down to the tarmac underneath, rather than ‘rubbered in’
That's what I thought, but all the comments, including in commentary, say that's what it is. I was sceptical too though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
EDIT: You can see it in these photos: https://twitter.com/BMSupdates/statu...55308639113224
Does the best Japanese driver in the WRC, have the potential to become a future champion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-seNPPO5L_A
Of course NASCAR at its roots is closer to rallying than anything else:
https://www.facebook.com/RallyUSA/vi...55153486244713
Active suspension, or how to make the aero of a rally car more efficient
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2021/03/30...ore-efficient/
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/04/...-vi-1994-1996/
From 1994 to 1996 all WRC events had to take a year off to host only the 2-litre World Cup. In addition, servicing was taken to service parks. In the middle of this all, Rally Indonesia joined in as the first Asian event.
I put together a drone video from last summer's vacation in Norway, some nice driving roads in here also if anyone needs some inspiration for a travel destinations :)
https://youtu.be/65Ah6KjP5Lw
derekdauncey
1993 - Mitsubishi Ralliart Europe 10 x main service vans. No central service back then. On top of these 10 vans you need to add. 6 x Tire / wheel trucks each carrying 250 built units. 1 x Spares parts truck, 2 X Recce service vans, 2 x Pejero/Shogun chase cars, 3 Mechanic Shogun’s, 3 Supervision Shogun’s, 2 x Gravel cars checking the pace notes, 2
Motorhomes and a light aircraft used as a relay/repeater station to keep everyone in contact with each other. Remember all the above drove or transferred to the Rallies on car transporters. #busytimes #greatteamgreatpeople
click for photo
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2PvVltl...=1es6umqeshogu
Thoughts on that new extreme-e series?
I tried to watch but its not for me. Its more like a talk show about climate change than an actual racing championship. One hour of bla bla bla and only 10 minutes of racing. Meh. Almost like RedBull's WRC highlight program. I want racing, not bla bla bla... but maybe this is how people consume racing now. Meh
Also Way too dangerous to have multiple cars racing on that amount of dust... Next round is on sand too. They are planning to use just time-trial format ( https://inside-electric.com/2021/04/...-senegal-agag/ )... I bet the race on Ice will have some visibility problems too without proper track preparation (RedBull Frozen Rush for reference)... and then the rain forest race will also have some dust from the natural soil.
The races were decided on the "first corner" - which no one could see shit on the broadcast. We missed the two Kristoffersson's decisive overtakes for the win in the semi (on Loeb and Sainz)and in the finale (on Hansen). IDK why they havent thought that when deciding where to put the cameras.
Some big crashes from Matthias ekstrom's team... and the American squad. Kyle Leducc is such an amazing Pro4 driver but its like... Of Course he would be the one crashing out. Its like Ken Block. Maybe its an American thing.. IDK.
Anyway...Im still interested in seeing how the electric class in Dakar will looks but extreme-e is just Not for me. All the luck for them. GoKristoffersson. Bye!
same impressions from me too.Also very dangerous as you mentioned.
I followed the semi-finals live on Youtube. I mean, it's more or less how I expected it, I would have been surprised to see more than a couple of overtakes. There was a live chat and you could see all the F1 fans kids complaining and being confused on why the big gaps between the cars and why no overtakes, because of course they only ever followed F1 and have no clue about rallying, rallycross and rally raid... and they could only talk of Rosberg vs Hamilton, as if they were the ones actually driving their teams' cars. Some people even thought that Carlos Sainz was the F1 driver Carlos Jr :D
And I feel Extreme E was made also to appeal these fans... I was surprised about how dangerous it looked, I thought they were going to build some sort of rallycross track, but I guess that goes against the environmental impact. In my opinion, it should have either a rallycross format (so they'd need to create some safer short tracks) or a rally/time trial spirit, which would certainly appeal less to the average F1 fan that they want. Like this it feels like some old arcade videogame, but real life is different...
Magnificent, cheers SubaruNorway!Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Couple of years ago, went on a driving holiday from the UK to Bergen, then Flam, then back to the UK - exceptional roads and sceneries. Would like to one day return and follow the coastal road beyond Bergen, all the way north.
I took a two week driving holiday in 2015. It's worth the time. The inland mountains are really vacant and great for hiking. The coast and fjords from Trondheim down to Bergen hits all the main tourist points. I only wish I'd had added a full day in Oslo. All I managed there was the Viking Museum.
We coincidentally saw some footage during a family dinner on Easter. We didn't see any multiple cars racing together, it looked more like a time trial competition. Some comments from my family:Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
My brother (a rally fan):
- Jeez, how boring it is!
My brother's wife (not a rally fan, but saw some rallies with my brother):
- Is there really no engine sound or are you making fun of me?
- Is this really the future of motorsport?
- Boring, but I like those mountains on the desert! (https://www.extreme-e.com/images/m21...415682DA73.jpg)
My brother's 8-year old son (likes cars and I think he saw 1 or 2 rallies in his life):
- Why do all the cars look the same?
Just our 2 cents ;)
I'm not totally sold on it, it needs a few tweaks here and there to improve it. However, they've got the promotion well and truly sorted. Big names of motorsport, Free to air coverage on YouTube, many TV channels, all over social media, etc
And tellingly, social media, and car/motorsport website/forums had plenty of comments/interaction - and far more than you'd get for a WRC round. There were also articles on BBC Sport, and the Guardian sport website; something which WRC struggles to do. Whether it stays like that is another matter - but it makes you wonder just what RBMH/ WRC Promoter are actually doing with their promotion.
I may be ignorant to social media but I personally haven't realized that something went on before reading it in this topic.
“They had a very, very good car but the team was not working 100% with me,” Auriol explains.
“On Tarmac, it was OK but still I need to fight with the team to set up my car [as I wanted], just to accept my decisions. I want this, I want that – no, they say! You put this on your car, you put this, and I say no. I never drive like that.
“I developed all my cars until ’86; [between] all my cars I have won every rally in the world, and Lancia, and Toyota, and you ask me to do something where I don’t choose [what goes on] my car? So I was a little bit fighting all the season with the team. It’s why I stopped.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-a...didnt-pan-out/