Ok so why did they put it that money in the first place. I wouldn't say its totally looser-unlike to invest in something and then change your mind ang go another way...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
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Ok so why did they put it that money in the first place. I wouldn't say its totally looser-unlike to invest in something and then change your mind ang go another way...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I don't think BMW did put spend money extra for WRC. the 1.6 turbo engine is also used in WTCC, maybe some different engine mapping, but most enginering was useful research. the rest of the car and program and budget had to come from Prodrive.
It look like without any mini/bmw invlovement, the JCW cars have no reason to be in the WRC. They will not be allowed to score manufacturer points. How does that add value to WRC or the car company?
It helps Prodrive making some money with the rent and maintenance of the cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Well at least now they will have some company at the bottom with Malcolm. I am so disappointed in MINI and Dave about this. I can't believe this has been cocked up so badly. Who would invest in this project now? All the good work of Meeke, Sordo and Wilcock down the ****ter...
what is the relationship btw Prodrive and MI ?
I saw that Muller was in Prodrive team ... but the car he drove in France was used by MI in the beginning of the season ... and now Atko is using a car drove by Sordo at the begining of the year :/
What are the strong sides of the Mini?
What areas do they need to improve before 13, to get closer to the top?
Sordo summed it up very shortly. " car is just perfect we just need 15 (or was it 50) more horsepowers..
Hmmm ..... and the engine is the BMW developed part.........Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
WT
I thought all WRC cars are limited to 300bhp. Did BMW gave so weak engine, hard to believe really.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
So, Nikara will drive for Mini next year?
300 at theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
How can you limit the amount of horsepowers?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Restrictor? But Dimvii is right, this is just the theory base.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Indeed at Theory, because I thought with the 01b that they already won some horsepower?
In the wrc.com article from some time ago it was reported that Prodrive was developing an update to the engine in conjunction with BMW Motorsport. They said it should give the Mini a performance boost for 2013.
Can you imagine how quickly engines have been developed (upgraded) these days :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Dani Sordo on Facebook writes goodbye to Prodrive...I guess he joins Citroën :confused:
Last Mini engine erratum was homologated on 1st September 2012. Don't know what exactly it was and how it helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
I think it is disgraceful that Prodrive was not able to keep Sordo. It shows how bad things are when your most useful asset walks back to Citroen as a stand-in, not even a number 2 proper. I can't imagine who DR will find for his cars now.
I've heard Henning Solberg has everything economic ready for a fulltime wrc campaign next year. Maybe a link to prodrive? Or m-sport, they also need people with money these days :)
Do Prodrive have a team next year to keep him for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
I'd be surprised if they are in Monte Carlo - or any other events next year - with anything other than paying customers. And only when they come along.
They (nor anyone else with a Mini) can't have a registered team unless the Manufacturer fee is paid - and from the sounds of the BMW press release, that ain't gonna happen.
[quote="rallyfiend"]Do Prodrive have a team next year to keep him for?
I'd be surprised if they are in Monte Carlo - or any other events next year - with anything other than paying customers. And only when they come along.
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Usually no shortage of paying customers for MC as all the French vets get squeezed into their overalls for maybe their last hurrah (Delecour last year) and the young wanabees seek to impress (Bouffier, Chardonnet, Campana etc.)
I'm happy to hear this kind of news for Henning. He is a nice guy. Spectacular on snow and gravel. It will be good to add him to WRC 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
I hope so. He would have to be a favourite for tarmac events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
anybody knows something about Kris Meeke? Why doesnt he drive a Mini? Does he have budget problem or any other problem?
It may be that you are correct on this one, but I don`t think so...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
So what do you think Iskald, wrt Henning S?
They got 3 percent more power from the engine in March homologation.
prodrive
“A major focus has been development of the 1.6 litre turbo engine, with a result that the newly homologated engine has a three per cent increase in peak power. To achieve this, Prodrive has redesigned the induction system with a new restrictor and restrictor feed…….”
And more to come next year.
From iRally 11.11.2012
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“Just last week our race engineers found some significant extra performance in the engine, which we didn't have time to include here, and there is another major mechanical upgrade due in March."
Prodrive press release 5.11.2012
prodrive
Prodrive’s team of race engine engineers is working with BMW Motorsport to enhance the performance of the MINI’s 1.6 litre turbo engine.
Nice guy, just slow one... I don't think that WRC need's him any more... There is many many young drivers that I like to see more in WRC than Henning... Sadly He's got money so he can buy a seat for him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Georgi
I was told in the start of May during a national rally event in Norway that Henning was supposed to be competing the rest of the WRC season - that didn't happen... Find it hard to believe that he will be back with a full assault for next year after this.
Yeah, lots of rumours around Henning, as always :)
maybe its just b.s.
time will show.
Maybe prodrive do only the european rallies anyway, with paying drivers. Who know's? :)
Don't forget that MINI have sponsors that they've spoken to for a while. The only issue was having a promoter ie now RedBull are in, their discussions will begin again and are doing a full 2013 campaign. Don't worry.
If, of course, you believe that piece of PR spin. If Prodrive really were in bed with Samsung then there should be nothing to stop the relationship being established. Time will tell, just that Dodgy Dave always reminds me of a used car salesman!Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
But why would you tell people and the media that you have been speaking to clients and sponsors about getting branding on the car but they can't lock anything in because the sport is NOT being shown on TV, in the news and online like it should be!
Who would sponsor anything if its not being shown properly?! It's legit.
Otherwise, why say it. It'll just push people away. Letting others know this is an issue with the sport and now everything working ie with RedBull it'll attract back the sponsor talks.
Maybe Meeke and Henning would be a good solution for Mini in 2013.
Meeke for free, Henning paying.
Have you never heard of playing poker with a bad hand? If a potential sponsor thinks they are the only option then they can make a 'take it or leave it' offer. If they aren't the only show in town and they are keen to be exposed via WRC then the team has a bargaining lever. Mmmm. much to learn have you about the dark side! DD Richards is probably looking to tie a deal with anyone he can find at the moment but he desperately won't want them to think he can't go elsewhere!Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Re. The Henning / Kris suggestion -Thought Jarko had a contract?! (Oh yes - it's a "Prodrive" contract ;) - do not expose to sunlight, naked flames or contract lawyers)
""Now we have to move on, confirm our programme and driver line up for next year and continue with our development programme in order to achieve our goal of securing a maiden MINI win in the WRC."
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Will the Paceman become the new MINI for the WRC ?
http://www.mini.co.uk/files/7813/475..._Paceman_1.jpg
http://www.mini.co.uk/files/1813/475..._Paceman_2.jpg
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Originally Posted by TyPat107
i asked the same almost 2 years ago. I think this car would look more spectacular as a wrc car compared to the countrymanQuote:
Originally Posted by navtheace