Yeah, you're an iClone anyway ;) :p Joking of course. It's not the only reason to use WP8, but a lot of people will be introduced to the interface and realised that it's not as evil as they first thought :)Quote:
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Yeah, you're an iClone anyway ;) :p Joking of course. It's not the only reason to use WP8, but a lot of people will be introduced to the interface and realised that it's not as evil as they first thought :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
You can download Windows 8 for £24.99 from the Microsoft store ;)Quote:
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I'm sitting on my hands and waiting for all of the companies to dish out their toys. I'll be in the market for a tablet, but I'm sure that Apple are out of the running. iPad is too big and I'd rather use my laptop. The iPad mini is laughable with its crappy screen resolution and slower processor. I think I'm either getting the Kindle Fire or Nexus 7. Small, great price, fully customizable, and NO lag.
The revised Nexus 7 looks amazing if you're after a tablet, with the only disappointment being the lack of a SD card slot. I suspect that 32GB storage is probably enough for most people though, and adding 3G for £239 is pretty amazing.
The iPad mini doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. It's still to wide for a pocket thanks to Apple's reluctance to lose their 90's 4:3 screen ratio, it's a shame they didn't make it a scaled-down iPhone5 rather than base it on the outdated iPad2 then it could have been brilliant. After mocking rivals for not having retina displays they've made a product with a lower PPI count than almost every competitor, yet priced it higher than them all. Very strange.
On a tangent, my S3 got Jellybean yesterday. Looooovely and smooth, it's like having a new machine :)
Totally agreed. Got mine two weeks ago, and like I said in my review of it a few pages ago, while it was still great with ICS, but after the JB update, it seems like the Galaxy S3 has come alive. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Yep, it's often commented Apple are really good at marketing and this is the reason for their success. Well; Microsoft has the resources available and could do the same if it chose to; and make the surface the default consumer choice - instead they'll fall back on the 'best for business' thing and fade away - again
Exactly. Why would you buy a Surface if that was the only exposure you had to it? yeah OK it has a keyboard that clips on..... what else does it do?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Yes it will be good for business, but the only way to 'break through' is to appeal to the mass market consumer - the likes of me who instead of buying an iPad will get a surface.
The problem is that the RT is only an iPad competitor and not strictly a business machine. Now if they'd released the Pro now, then we'd have a serious device on our hands. I don't want a tablet that much to go out and buy such a hobbled device (whether it be Android, iOS or W8 RT) and I suspect a lot of people would happily pay that little bit more for a full fat, full featured laptop that gives you tablet functionality as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Chances are, and posts on this thread already support this, that most people will first use Windows 8 through work so I do see some sense in MS' marketing angle.Quote:
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If they want to break into the mass market what they need to do is crack the smartphone market. Once people feel comfortable with W8 on their phones then they'll progress to buying a W8 tablet. Thats how Apple and Android have done it. Shame MS are neglecting to market their smartphones enough but perhaps by releasing an OS that works on everything from a phone straight through to a desktop they've bitten off more than they can chew marketing wise. They can't advertise everything simultaneously effectively.
WP8 is not Windows 8 like I've said ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Not technically, but from a marketing point of view it is as the look across all the OS is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Exactly, the idea is "it all looks the same", so there will be many unhappy when they find stuff doesn't work.
I remember people trying to get Windows .exe files working on Windows Mobile/CE back in the day and complaining it was broken.
My work upgraded from XP to Windows 7 about 2 months ago, so I can't see 8 coming along anytime soon..... The only reason I would get it would be if I got a new PC, but that's been put off for a while.
There will be a degree of compatibility between WP8 and W8 RT apps, but in terms of legacy Windows Apps, no compatibility whatsoever!Quote:
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I obviously forgot when Apple made the iPhone and iPad compatible with Os X :) ARM processors (what's in most smartphones and tablets) are incapable for running software written for desktop computers.
We're still on XP, I suspect we'll be upgrading directly to Windows 15 when it comes out...Quote:
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Meanwhile I've liked what I've seen with WP8 so far but unfortunately MS have lost me as a customer already. The Nokia 920 which looks like the best WP phone (with the HTC 8X getting lukewarm reviews) is exclusive to EE on a 4G connection which means it'll cost a fortune.
Same here. Ridiculous pricing.......Quote:
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Why not just buy the phone outright? Ends up being cheaper over the life of your contract anyway :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Yes, which is what massive held back data on mobile devices for many years. Charges such as £1 per MB, nobody dared use any mobile data, nevermind watching videas etc. It's one thing you can thank Apple for opening up, as they demanded operators taking iPhone offered unlimited data plans. Shame they've gone now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
The upgrade cycle isn't that short with Windows Phones though. As an example here's HTC's big screen WP7 release dates.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
October 2010 HD7
October 2011 Titan
April 2012 Titan (Titan with 4g and more MP camera)
So IMHO it makes sense to buy now if you need a phone now, rather than waiting 6 months and then finding that a new phone is only 6 months away.
WP8 has all the apps from WP7 so it's not appless like WP7 was to start with :) I think a 920 will be around £450 sim only. You could gamble on the launch being a bit slow and the prices getting dropped a bit in a couple of months though......
Can't remember what my plan is, but I'm with Three and their coverage is dire so I've never troubled my cap...... Then again I tend to use my phone on WiFi 90% of the time so it's no big problem.Quote:
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I would consider 4G if it could be hooked up to a wifi sender and give me a decent speed. 3G currently happens to be about four times faster than my home broadband so the thought of getting 4G is very appealing even if it is very expensive. 4G could potentially give me a faster speed much quicker than the various campaigns in my local area to get quicker broadband which to date include features on tv shows, local papers, complaining to the council, our MP speaking in parliament as well as the hounding of the powers that be at BT.Quote:
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The data caps mean that it's still going to be a poor alternative to your home wifi.
My home wi-fi speeds range between 0.8mg and 1.9mg though and we've done all the tricks such as moving routers etc to make it faster. Could be worse though as some of our neighbours get 0.3mg. Hopefully with a little competition prices for 4G will come down in the future and then I will think about looking into data plans. :)
You should be able to get fibre to the cabinet before too much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
At the moment the videos on the BBC site don't work because of standards, but there's nothing to stop the BBC developing software for WP8 and I suspect with the similarities between WP8 and W8 RT, there should hopefully be an iPlayer app in the future. As always, if a particular app is a deal breaker then it's a deal breaker :) We use iPlayer a lot, I use TunerfreeMCE within Windows Media Centre and it's fantastic for watching BBC stuff as well as the of ITV or Channel 4/5 program. We don't tend to holiday much in the UK so an iPlayer app isn't all that important, though I'll admit that it is annoying in the morning when I go on the BBC site and see and interesting story and I can't play the clip......Quote:
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BBC still not making a Windows Phone iPlayer app, blames Windows Phone 8, bugs | WMPoweruser
Reading this story, will an iPlayer app land on WP8? Who can say. It won't bother me either way. I'll get myself a Surface Pro, iPlayer runs just fine on the proper desktop version of Windows 8.
Reading my post I can see the problem...... People will buy a Surface RT or WP8 device and expect an iPlayer app or at least for the iPlayer site to work on it and when it doesn't.......
In terms of just streaming from the web, I can see why BBC don't support WP7, it would mean converting all the videos on their site into another format! And for what? A few percent of the market, but I think that if they get off their high horse they'll make an app for WP8.
With my network provider it doesn't really make that much difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
So buy one outright ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
One would imagine that there are possibly some politics involved. They had two years to accommodate WP7 and didn't. Again, it doesn't bother me, but I suspect I'm not the typical user, I don't care about apps really. I use the accuweather app, the ebay app, the endomondo app, last.fm, and Vevo. I used to use the facebook app, but it's quicker just to use it on the web. Uploading photos to facebook is done with the built in facebook functionality so the only time I use it is to check in as it's better for that than the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Probably because they knew WP7 was a stop gap before WP8 came out - which should be here longer term.
I mean they developed an app for S60, so I don't see Windows Phone being an issue. But as with anything it will take time - It's still 'coming soon' on Sky+HD after all.
No one knew that WP7 was going to be a stopgap and IMHO I don't think it is/was? It was a fully functional OS and whilst it only really got going properly with Mango, I've never regretted my purchases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Well it's long been known that Windows 8 was coming out, for most of the life of WP7 in fact.
Can we stop interchanging the terms Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
No. It's Microsofts fault they came up with ambiguous terms, is it any surprise they will be used interchangeably.
They're not interchangeable though! They're not ambiguous either! Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. You'll notice the latter has phone in it and the former doesn't.Quote:
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Yeh, so, most will see "Windows" , "8". Naming has never been Microsoft's strong point.
If people don't see the PHONE bit in the middle then they're a touch blind.....Quote:
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Just because a few people make a mistake doesn't mean the branding is wrong :)Quote:
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You're taking the geeky view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Both systems have a very similar if not identical look with colourful tablets. Both are called Windows. Both are numbered 8. Both were released within days of each other. Microsoft is marketing the whole package as a revolution together.
They are meant to be viewed as a seamless single product by MS even if they are not.
If MS wanted the consumer to view them as separate products there would be clear product differentiation. There isn't.