Also, any chance of supplying the photos you talked about showing that Kimi was alongside?
Without them, its zero credibility, I'm afraid.
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Also, any chance of supplying the photos you talked about showing that Kimi was alongside?
Without them, its zero credibility, I'm afraid.
I must have missed this incident cause I don't remember it. What exactly happened?
Suzuka 2012 start, not this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
It's ok though, because we will sit down and discuss it, and then agree that I was right.
(Copyright Brian Clough)
That last post was tongue-in-cheek.
Great line, though.
:rotflmao: ;)
Judging by what airshifter said they are talking about Suzuka 2012 and the racing incident between Alonso and Raikkonen at the start of the race. Kimi was on the outside of the track partially alongside Alonso and the Ferrari moved across his front wing. Not too dissimilar to Hamilton this year moving across the front of Vettel and being clipped. Just a racing incident and a common hazard in racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Fernando was 100% in front, in a position to dictate where he went, Kimi suddenly woke up to the fact he was running out of space, an inevitable consequence of the position he had put himself in, put two wheels on the grass, lost braking and touched Fernando, causing the puncture.
A completely different scenario to Suzuka 2013 and Hamilton's decision to try to intimidate Sebastian.
All it needed was for Kimi to be awake to what was inevitable and in front of him.
Felipe got a free pass this time .
If this happens again , I can't see Felipe finishing the season in that seat .
I have no idea why he's not gone already .
Who fills the role once ol' pouty gets the hook ?
There is the De La Rosa option. He has tested this year, albeit on an F150Italia from '11, but he would not be as rusty as a Badoer.
In truth, I think they will stick with Massa, on the off-chance that he will have one good weekend out of the four. Or someone takes half the field out.
It's a sign of weak management, but that's standard.
Was Lewis intimidating Seb, or trying to get past Mark?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Tomato or Tomarto?
You say Potato, I say Potarto
Let's call the whole thing off!
They've already stuck with Mousa far too long , and now they are stuck with him ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
How sad .
I guess there's the off chance that this is designed to try to make him look good to the other teams , so that they might hire the little pouter , as they know his help won't help , but , with him acting the rebel red , he might be sabotaging the effort himself , making it a failed effort before it begins .
But , I don't really think that the management is up to that kind of complex idea .
Careful, my Canadian friend, for that type of cunning, albeit mixed with the ability of mind-control, smoke and mirrors and the power of mass deception which is way beyond current management (but so is making a cup of tea without mishap, I suspect), is just the sort of thing some of a less enamoured-to-the-Scuderia standing would almost certainly want to believe!
I can see next September's Autosport headline now
"Lotus - Maranello Tricked Us"
Not to mention Sport Bild -
"Lotus - Das Ist Nicht Eine Rennen Pilot".
KOBYQuote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Alonso reckoned that there can be no complaints about everyone in Ferrari pushing for their own success, however.
"We are trying to do our best - Felipe, me and the team - to score as many points as possible," he said.
"Sometimes it is easy, and sometimes it is more difficult:
"Or do like Red Bull does - one car does two stops, one car does three stops, and they finish first and second.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... u-2012.jpg
Found this photo, which shows a driver running out of track. There's no space to Fernando's right (as he would see it), as there is a Mclaren there. Not Fernando's fault. He is in the primary position, as is evident when viewing the video.
What was Kimi thinking would happen? He put himself on the extremity of the track, vulnerable to having the space in front of him squeezed.
His decision, his fault.
Too embarrassing for any team to admit being tricked by Maranello at the moment , especially the French .Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Tweeting rabbits is ok , though .
Zizzle , he must say these things , or be saddled with a really unhappy and even more unhelpful little Brazilian .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
Mind you , with them not seemingly caring about him essentially sabotaging team efforts by ignoring orders , Felipe-baby rebel style , it almost looks like maybe they are giving him enough rope to hang himself .
But then , that also might require enough forethought to be beyond Maranello management at present .
Ah , but the place to do that would have been Japan .Quote:
Originally Posted by Firstgear
I do like the idea , though . It might give Kobay another shot at another seat , if he did well .
He is wearing red these days , isn't he ?
Even better than the video. In the second large photo on the left you can see that Kimi already has two tires off, there is still overlap, and Alonso is still pushing him out. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Fred punked himself. If you don't want to believe that, believe what you want. I'm not blind due to Ferrari red shaded glasses. :D
Though it would be great to see Kobayashi in the car, I seriously doubt Ferrari will do anything at all about Felipe. Neither Kobay or DeLaRosa have much chance at all as reeling in as many constructors points as Massa potentially can. If they had a dominant position in the constructors title they might kick Felipe to the curb, but as it stands they will likely tolerate his pouting IMO.
Just as Kimi Fernando have to sort out qualification before alonso can put any blame on Massa.
Except it clearly doesn't show that.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Maybe if you took your Ferrari-hating specs?
Turned in? What a joke
If Kimi couldn't see that the gap he hoped to fill wasn't going ti be there, that is 100% his fault.
How typical of the.classless, arrogant, money-whore. He owes Ferrari big.
The tune in this thread are falling rapidly.
Its a common feature, provides amusement though.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
And the best part about it is; as bad as things seem they can always get worse/better! :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MnKm2bbNZk
Oh, I'm not sure. Kimi's first Ferrari career went down rapidly after 07, but it was anything but amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Only the Kimi of 2014 forward will matter. Kimi has had a long career and has been good everywhere he raced! Too bad he was a lump-buster at McLaren. Fred will beat him regularly IEC IMHO :stareup: :laugh: :angel: :sailor:
You're right. I will no longer engage the claimed tifosi who talk smack. I think they are scared their hero Alonso will have to race Kimi on equal terms and no longer have a lap dog. Otherwise why would they talk smack about someone who for all practical purposes is now part of the Ferrari team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
But that's ok... I can understand why they are nervous. In two years Kimi only brought them one WDC, with Felipe just missing the other. And the two had a 100% record of bringing home the constructors title as well. Things are just sooooooo much better now, right? ;)
We will all see 'Zo own Kimi, and Kimi will be cool with it. :angel:
If we get the 2007 specification Kimi, I'll be delighted.
If we get the 2009 specification One, I'll be annoyed.
I'm concerned by his self-confessed motivation for the return being a financial one, as he has been quite happy to take money for nothing (and the chicks for free) before.
I'll be delighted if the 2014 spec Kimi can beat Alonso.
My less-than-enthusiastic cynicism and dislike of the Raikkonen character has nothing to do with fears about Alonso.
I am a Ferrari fan, I want the best for them.
And comparing 07, 08 to the present and the relative successes solely on the criteria of who was behind the wheel?? It's probably best that Airshifter doesn't engage me, as that is a nonsensical logic I'd rather not waste time with. That logic would say that Massa 08 was better than 96 Schumacher and the difference was all due to the quality of the driver. A laughable and ridiculous notion. If that is the level of engagement on offer, please stick to your assessment that youll no longer engage.
Forza Ferrari! :stareup: ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxHu_71sU1E
I'm sure Kimi is hoping Ferrari start to deliver when he arrives next year as a lot of the expectation is on him when the team itself has under-performed for the past 5 years. Kimi appears to be on top of his game at present but I couldn't say the same for Ferrari. I think they have more to prove than him at this point, and I'm sure they know that. Mia is very right in her observation of this thread too.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
At the end of the day, Kimi gave Ferrari a WDC. Who else, post Michael, has achieved that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Massa would have done it, if only his team had removed the fuel rig before releasing him.........
Fernando has driven very well, but has made his own mistakes......
If Kimi is given a 2007 like performing car, he'll be happy, if they give him an equivalent truck like the 2009 car, forget it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Do you mean in terms of overall results, or his personal performance?
I can happily accept a driver struggling to achieve results because of the car, but not a driver whose performance drops because he isn't motivated.
Certainly in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Much less so in 2012. Fernando was faultless. I have seldom witnessed a more complete season from a driver. Maybe Prost in 86.
Kimi made mistakes in 07, but others made more.