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4th April 2010, 13:23
Tomi

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Originally Posted by Ucci

It hurts....I see you are not enough men to admit and say: well done Loeb, you are still number 1.!!

Seems that you have dropped of the notes, this issue has nothing to do with any person, but about the system and sportmanship.
4th April 2010, 13:30
Wasted Talent

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Originally Posted by alleskids

PG Andersson is getting points in SWRC, due to entering under the team banner, but his team JM Racing / Rufa Sports is not registerd for the World Cup champion standing. So how come he can score points then? Mikkelse could not score in Sweden.

PG got special dispensation from the FIA before the event as a late SWRC entry.

WT
4th April 2010, 14:01
ProRally

Just back from Jordan, was funny at TC after first service saturday, Ogier arriving late.... but then the next TC of ss14 that was hilarious.... to see it on the timing screens...
Jean Todt was also there, so at the stewards meeting maybe hard to talk about this as JT started this in 1980s with team-orders.
Anyway, event for me was weak, the stages ok, but service park is not. There are hotels there but thats it. Each hotel where you go into they screen your car and bags like on airports...
Next event NZ, at least that one is going to be good as it is 40th edition
4th April 2010, 14:12
bluuford

So, looking at the results wise, I can see that Attiyah got third place in MERC and our future JWRC challenger (Kruuda) ended his first ever WRC rally without using superally 50 minutes behind leader. He got I think 5 punctures during the race. Four of them were on the first day when he always reached too close to the car in front and while driving in the dust punctured 4 tires in total :-) So, he was 20 minutes behind 2WD winner and SWRC second place Brynildsen :-P
4th April 2010, 15:16
alleskids

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Originally Posted by Wasted Talent

PG got special dispensation from the FIA before the event as a late SWRC entry.

WT

Thanks for the info. PG can count Sweden as the start of his SWRC season. But he is planning only 1 event outside Europe (Jordan) but needs a second for the championship. Andersson is planning 5 more events (Portugal, Finland, Germany, France, Great Brittain), but all in Europe. His team JM Racing /Rufa Sports is planning Rally Japan, but with an other (local ?) driver.
4th April 2010, 15:35
Bobcat

Ford team questions Ogier’s delay in Jordan

Ford team questions Ogier’s delay in Jordan http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/f...lay_in_jordan/

Ogier frustrated by Jordan Rally tactics http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/o...rally_tactics/
4th April 2010, 16:38
havk

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Originally Posted by Ucci

I took the time to read all the today's posts and must admit, I'm very disappointment for all of you guys.....You are behaving like old grandmothers, squealing, crying, accusing Quesnel as a criminal!!!??? Who the hell are you, by what right are you doing this?? If the rules permit this, accept this like an adult person !! Loeb would win either way.

Probably you're right that Loeb would win without Ogier help, so I'm really disappointed in Citroen decision. They spoil good rally for Ogier, they give a 2nd place to Latvala as Sebastien could be even 2nd. And probably without all this mess still Loeb'd win the rally. Why they didn't wait at least one or two stages to see if Loeb could keep Latvala behind before making decision??? Looks like they devoted Ogier's result for nothing... Apart from that I agree - rules permit this, we can't blame teams for taking advantage of this. It's not the first time when gravel rally is spoiled by tactics and FIA should have solved this problem long time ago.
4th April 2010, 17:33
serial jeff

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Originally Posted by havk

Apart from that I agree - rules permit this, we can't blame teams for taking advantage of this

Just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should. I think we can totally blame the teams for this. Its violating the spirit of the rules, if not the letter, and we certainly can blame the teams for intentionally finding loopholes that allow this.
4th April 2010, 17:37
havk

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Originally Posted by bretddog

Well, I'm sure manufacturer points were the main motive in this move. So give Latvala 3 and Sordo 3 makes no change. While securing the 14 relative gain from a sure win by Loeb.

Yes, you're right in maunfacturer points table it doesn't changed anything but still I'd think many times if I did such a move. Ogier just deserved the chance for fighting for 2nd place.
4th April 2010, 17:45
havk

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Originally Posted by serial jeff

Just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should. I think we can totally blame the teams for this. Its violating the spirit of the rules, if not the letter, and we certainly can blame the teams for intentionally finding loopholes that allow this.

I admit you're right.. but still I think it's FIA to be more responsible for this.
I think Loeb's idea about shakedown deciding about position on the road (already checked in IRC) is best solution.

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