[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

In Greece we also have those rich useless kids where their daddy buys them a company to have something to do... nice to see we have some methods that are the same as in developed european countries.

As for your stories from the star trek universe...you have any evidence that those orders were implied or you just post random lies ??

in 2005

duval was 32 seconds slower after 4 stages LOL

In 2007 same story for Sordo.... LOL Lies all the way

NEWSFLASH

Team orders were not invented by citroen they are implied by teams since the 70s...

But the pain Loeb and citroen has caused all these year to girl fans around the world caused them to become blind and lobotomised as well...

last post from me about the subject in this thread...we are way off topic and we do not offer anything that fans do not know already.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

In Greece we also have those rich useless kids where their daddy buys them a company to have something to do... nice to see we have some methods that are the same as in developed european countries.

As for your stories from the star trek universe...you have any evidence that those orders were implied or you just post random lies ??

in 2005

duval was 32 seconds slower after 4 stages LOL

In 2007 same story for Sordo.... LOL Lies all the way

NEWSFLASH

Team orders were not invented by citroen they are implied by teams since the 70s...

But the pain Loeb and citroen has caused all these year to girl fans around the world caused them to become blind and lobotomised as well...

last post from me about the subject in this thread...we are way off topic and we do not offer anything that fans do not know already.

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... said the self-declared sage...

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Of course team orders were used for long time already (lots of examples in the '90s already), but I don't like the fact that in some way you disrespect the drivers who were the victims of those team orders.

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I dont really understand this fuss about teamorders, they asked Kankkunen about team orders some time ago, he said he has been given away about 10 wins, but also been given a few, he also said that if you work for someone you have to do like they want if that is impossible to understand, then better to change job to something else.

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Originally Posted by alleskids

Citroen however prefers French drivers, so when Loeb became the star driver he is no he became ontouchable, until an other French driver (Ogier) became a star driver. They could tell Belgium Duval and Spaniard Sordo to back off, but the French media and French bosses of PSA do not pick when a Frenchman has to back off for an other Frechman.
Ford and VW or open for any nationality as long as the driver is winning rallies and bringing some budget. Citroen is how ever French-orientated and wants/prefers a French winner.

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well if Citroen had a non-french driver as fast and capable of winning on any surface as Loeb or Ogier, in the team, he would have had the same treatment!
Duval was really fast, the only thing was that he crashed way to much! Sordo was also really fast on tarmac but not enough on gravel. To me, they deserved their 2nd (or 3rd for Duval) driver seat but they were in no way capable of beating Loeb fair and square. (and again: Thats only MY opinion)

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Originally Posted by Tomi

I dont really understand this fuss about teamorders, they asked Kankkunen about team orders some time ago, he said he has been given away about 10 wins, but also been given a few, he also said that if you work for someone you have to do like they want if that is impossible to understand, then better to change job to something else.

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Finally some sense!

Duval's problem was confidence, sure he knew he was likely to always be #2 in that team but sometime he made these silly errors and it seemed to snowball from there to the point where it became apparent he was not the driver he once could have been.

Sordo was slightly different in that he took a long time to get decent, consistent speed on gravel.

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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer

Finally some sense!

Duval's problem was confidence, sure he knew he was likely to always be #2 in that team but sometime he made these silly errors and it seemed to snowball from there to the point where it became apparent he was not the driver he once could have been.

Sordo was slightly different in that he took a long time to get decent, consistent speed on gravel.

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Duval had so many off's because he tried/wanted to be faster than Loeb and was driving over his limits ... simple as that

Imagine Loeb in 2003. First full season. His team mate? Carlos Sainz en Colin McRae! The citroen wasn’t then the best car. But he beat Sainz and McRae and finish 2d in the championship for just one point. He just made his leadership in the team. And everybody could do the same thing over Seb, French or not. If Ogier beat Loeb today sometimes, it’s not because he’s French, but because he’s better than Duval or Sordo. Maybe his French nationality helps a little for confidence… OK.


Loeb deserves every win he has been and he proved that in the last rally.

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Originally Posted by cali

Duval had so many off's because he tried/wanted to be faster than Loeb and was driving over his limits ... simple as that

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Agree.

Hey, Maybe we can go back to news and rumours?

Starting with one link: Rallying Young Guns: The Quest to reach the Sebs! on Vimeo

It is documentary film about two young Estonian rally drivers (Plangi and Kruuda) and their co-drivers. Very good quality, 42 minutes pure joy. I just thought that it would be nice to replace this "feature driver " section in WRC show with similar short view behind the scenes..

Sorry for those who have already seen it in Video section and Rally Estonia section

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Hey, Maybe we can go back to news and rumours?

Starting with one link: Rallying Young Guns: The Quest to reach the Sebs! on Vimeo

It is documentary film about two young Estonian rally drivers (Plangi and Kruuda) and their co-drivers. Very good quality, 42 minutes pure joy. I just thought that it would be nice to replace this "feature driver " section in WRC show with similar short view behind the scenes..

Sorry for those who have already seen it in Video section and Rally Estonia section

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I watched it yesterday...really liked it!