WRC Testing

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Originally Posted by Mirek

If You want to make R5 cars a lor more expensive and a lot less reliable otherwise it makes no sense.

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Maybe, but it'd be interesting to know from someone running one how the costs and reliability of the Fiesta R5+ have compared to running the conventional R5 package.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

How do You define new gr.B? In 80' the gr.B was was something totally out of this world. The cars had often 10x bigger power than common stock cars and higher than anything one could buy. Today everybody can buy a second hand car with 300-400 Hp for little money and try how it feels himself and those who have money can buy Bugatti Veyron or Königsegg CCX and have 3x the power of WRC car. I wouldn't compare that as today's WRC are not about brutal power combined with primitive transmission, bad suspension and tyres.

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I understand Your point from regular customers PoV, but if we compare the models in production by power, AUDI Ur Quattro stock car had 197 bhp, while the rally version (S1 E2) - 450+ bhp (that is 2.5 times more power max). Fiesta 1.6 Ti-VCT (MK7-MK8) stock has 120 bhp vs. 360+ on the 2017 rally version (probably over 400 anyway), so this is 3 times more power at least.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

I understand Your point from regular customers PoV, but if we compare the models in production by power, AUDI Ur Quattro stock car had 197 bhp, while the rally version (S1 E2) - 450+ bhp (that is 2.5 times more power max). Fiesta 1.6 Ti-VCT (MK7-MK8) stock has 120 bhp vs. 360+ on the 2017 rally version (probably over 400 anyway), so this is 3 times more power at least.

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Hp isen't that impressive, it's the torque. I drive to work everyday with around the same HP as the current WRC :p

You didn't understood my point, but that's alright.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

I understand Your point from regular customers PoV, but if we compare the models in production by power, AUDI Ur Quattro stock car had 197 bhp, while the rally version (S1 E2) - 450+ bhp (that is 2.5 times more power max). Fiesta 1.6 Ti-VCT (MK7-MK8) stock has 120 bhp vs. 360+ on the 2017 rally version (probably over 400 anyway), so this is 3 times more power at least.

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A bit different to compare those because the Audi was based on a performance car to start with and the Fiesta is based on a shopping trolley.

If we compare Peugeot 205 T16 (shopping trolley based Group B car) at ~450bhp with the most powerful Peugeot 205 GTi at 125bhp its 3.6x as much power.

If you compare 2017 Fiesta WRC with Fiesta ST (use performance version to be consistent) then say 380bhp vs 180bhp is 2.1x as much power.

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

A bit different to compare those because the Audi was based on a performance car to start with and the Fiesta is based on a shopping trolley.

If we compare Peugeot 205 T16 (shopping trolley based Group B car) at ~450bhp with the most powerful Peugeot 205 GTi at 125bhp its 3.6x as much power.

If you compare 2017 Fiesta WRC with Fiesta ST (use performance version to be consistent) then say 380bhp vs 180bhp is 2.1x as much power.

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No, AUDI Ur Quattro is not tuned model of an "regular" car, while Fiesta ST is, The same with Polo R. It is just at present You can buy tuned cars for less money than it was in 80's.

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

A bit different to compare those because the Audi was based on a performance car to start with and the Fiesta is based on a shopping trolley.

If we compare Peugeot 205 T16 (shopping trolley based Group B car) at ~450bhp with the most powerful Peugeot 205 GTi at 125bhp its 3.6x as much power.

If you compare 2017 Fiesta WRC with Fiesta ST (use performance version to be consistent) then say 380bhp vs 180bhp is 2.1x as much power.

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The most powerful Peugeot 205 was the T16 and not the GTI, with 1.800cc turbocharged engine and 200bhp

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Originally Posted by the sniper

Maybe, but it'd be interesting to know from someone running one how the costs and reliability of the Fiesta R5+ have compared to running the conventional R5 package.

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Fiesta R5+ is not just R5 with bigger restrictor.

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Originally Posted by RICARDO75

The most powerful Peugeot 205 was the T16 and not the GTI, with 1.800cc turbocharged engine and 200bhp

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Those were special homologation models for Gr.B supercars for God's sake. They existed only because of those gr.B cars. An average joe was driving 60 Hp car and a 400 Hp rallycar was something from Star Trek for him.

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Hp isen't that impressive, it's the torque. I drive to work everyday with around the same HP as the current WRC :p

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Current 1.6T WRC cars don't have any special torque due to the boost limitation. +/- 500 Nm isn't any impressive novadays.

It's a lot more, maybe not x2 but over x1,5 for sure.

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Originally Posted by the sniper

Maybe, but it'd be interesting to know from someone running one how the costs and reliability of the Fiesta R5+ have compared to running the conventional R5 package.

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