Saddam Hussein Hanged

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Originally Posted by harsha

America defending my freedom :s

India is a World Power in its own right. . .US has more of hindered rather than helped India in its war against terrorism,and the US government fails to see that Pakistan is the center of Islamic Terrorism today

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I don't understand why you say this, harsha. Don't you think that the biggest threats to India are jihadi Muslims and those from Pakistan who are militant on the Kashmir question? I would think that on both counts, especially the jihadists, the US has been helpful to India in its desire to counter the extremists within Islam, and bolster the peace-loving Muslims. As far as Kashmir is concerned, you and Pakistan came close to nuclear war over the issue just two years ago. It was US diplomatic intervention that helped take the heat out of the situation, when a cooling of tensions between India and Pakistan was desperately needed. So I would say that India has benefitted, and continues to benefit from US foreign policy, in that its most important goals are supported by the US.

who supplies arms to Pakistan :?:

who trained the Al-Qaida :?:

who refuses to see pakistan as a hot bed for islamic terrorism :?:

Of course, harsha, it is the US who supplies arms to Pakistan, but those arms are supplied to the Pakistani army, not the jihadists. That army, and those weapons are the forces opposing the jihadists, whom you want to see opposed. So you are focussing your hostility on the wrong target entirely. The Musharraf regime, like India, is doing all it can to rein in the Islamic militants, at great risk to itself, I might add, and with considerable courage. The aggressive wing of Islam hates Musharraf and the army he heads. If the US were not supplying arms to Pakistan's army, Pakistan would be taken over by the militants who, though I'm sure you don't need reminding of this, are determined to make terrible problems for India. So please, harsha, don't criticise the US for supporting Pakistan's army with materiel; they are helping to neutralise your enemies.

You ask in your post who trains Al-Qaida. Certainly not the Pakistani government. Al-Qaida train themselves. The last government that helped them, the Afghan government, has been deposed, and was deposed, by the way, by the same United States that you are complaining about.

Finally, you say that the US refuses to see Pakistan as a hot-bed for Islamic terrorism. I can assure you, as one who spends a lot of time in the US, that the Americans see very clearly that Pakistan is the home of militant Islamists. They see that as clearly as your government sees it, in fact, and that is precisely why the Americans have been very careful to co-opt Musharraf's help, more than anyone else's, in the war on terror. It was mainly for Musharraf's ears that Bush made his famous comment that you are with us or with the terrorists. So America is very well aware, harsha, of the realities of Pakistan, so aware, in fact, that it is probable that both British and American Special Forces are operating covertly in Pakistan precisely to counter those elements which you, apparently, desperately wish to see countered.

My conclusion, harsha, is this: your country wants to see the threat from Pakistan neutralised, so that you can live in peace. The US wants exactly the same thing, and has devoted a lot of military and diplomatic muscle to achieving that goal. As a patriotic Indian, I think you should be applauding that, not knocking it.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I'd especially like to see that which implies that Saddam was a good man.

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Nobody here has said or even implied that Saddam was a good man, unless YOU think being a CIA stooge is good.

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Originally Posted by agwiii

If you don't vote in the election, then shut up and stop your public display of ignorance.

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I sure would have voted in the US presidential elections if only had the right to do so. I didn't have. I don't think that's democratic. I think every person on this globe should have the right to vote in the US presidental elections, if the US presidents insist on bypassing the UN and meddling in internal affairs of other countries.

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Originally Posted by harsha

then isn't the US fighting a Crusade against Islam,so we are back to the middle ages where the Christians with the blessing of the Popes fought against the Muslim invaders.....

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Pope John Paul II was against invading Iraq. At least the Popes have evolved since the Middle Ages.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Pope John Paul II was against invading Iraq. At least the Popes have evolved since the Middle Ages.

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Of course, modern Popes operate without the corruptive influence of real political power - unlike their Medieval predecessors - which makes it so much easier to be a man of morals and ideals. ;)

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Originally Posted by Sandfly

YES !!!!! That is exactly what it is. A defensive crusade against the Islamic fanatics who have declared war on the west because they do not like our way of life.

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:laugh: Unbelievable that someone still believes that.

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That is why I say it will not truly end until the elements within Islam that want to fight and die for Allah are convinced from wihin ISLam that the better choice is not to fight and die but to live for Allah and spread his religion by practice.

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If the radical Islamists are willing to die for their religion, why would you killing them bother them? Aren't you more like doing them a favor? Now it's easier for them to find new recruits to revenge the killed Muslim brothers and sisters.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

That said, (god here we go again explaining what people don't want to see) Saddam Hussein was killing over 20000 people a year just running the nation.

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According to the latest reports, the US killed about 34,000 Iraqis last year. That's almost twice as many:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...raq/index.html

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Rape rooms, torture, feeding people into plastic recycling shredders, the whole lot.

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And Americans did their best to keep the old Abu Ghraib traditions alive.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

George Bush isn't a war criminal,

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Professionals of international law disagree with that. They said invading Iraq without a consent from the UN was against international laws. IMO, if you break a law, you're a criminal.