2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I'm sure that there is a statistical basis for this claim. Could you please show some workings or a link?

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You ask him: why do every single company always dig/beg/connive/bribe/ governments at all level for exemptions/breaks/grants/subsidies/special treatments for ever new plant/expansion/reorganisation?

As some say: Socialisation of the risk/losses, Privatisation of the profits.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I'm sure that there is a statistical basis for this claim. Could you please show some workings or a link?

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Common sense. A company that has to rely on Government support for its very existence cannot be called successful by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you are a Kool-Aid drinker and consider acts like the national embarrassment that is GM a success.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

You ask him: why do every single company always dig/beg/connive/bribe/ governments at all level for exemptions/breaks/grants/subsidies/special treatments for ever new plant/expansion/reorganisation?

As some say: Socialisation of the risk/losses, Privatisation of the profits.

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Every single one? Really? I call for Tax cuts but for everyone. I am quite vocal on calling for the abolition of the National Sales tax not just for me but for everyone.


Soooooooooooo....My very existence proves your statement FALSE

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Originally Posted by Don Capps

Where do the defense contractors fit into this equation?

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A company paid for a product or service does not apply. Getting a check for Bullets is the same as getting a check for paper clips.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Actually it does, A company that relies on Government supports to survive is in deep sh*t when those supports end. On the other hand a company that survives without looting from the taxpayer does much better and has a better chance of survival.

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Hmm really?

VW. 100% government owned and funded at its incept. After the war partly funded by the local state instead which still owns a significant stake in the company.

How is the VW group doing these days? Or Daimler Benz? How did Renault get to buy Nissan when 10 years before the latter boasted the former wouldn't be around for much longer? For state owned/funded companies I don't think their performance has been too shabby.

I find Americans constant reference to 'Kool-aid' rather tiring.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

A company paid for a product or service does not apply. Getting a check for Bullets is the same as getting a check for paper clips.

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Ah, this simply goes to show just how little you actually know about the defense industry and how defense contractors really operate.

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Originally Posted by Mark

I find Americans constant reference to 'Kool-aid' rather tiring.

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However, it is also a very accurate shorthand means to indicate the extent to which most of the GOP has become something of a cult rather than a political party.

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Originally Posted by Don Capps

However, it is also a very accurate shorthand means to indicate the extent to which most of the GOP has become something of a cult rather than a political party.

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I understand, I just think it's lazy - which shorthard is I suppose :)

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Originally Posted by Mark

I find Americans constant reference to 'Kool-aid' rather tiring.

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Actually the correct form is Flavor-Aide My bad.