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Sure You have a good point here. Also the turbos of that time suffered from very notable lags and the turbo RWD cars were considered very difficult to drive.

I guess You might be interested in a fact that even here in the East we had some turbo cars in 1970' though none of them made it to rally homologation (mainly due to socialistic politics of the state which didn't allow making "expensive" road cars and therefore also suitable turbos in large scale).

Here is one - Škoda 2000 MI used on circuits and hill climbs since 1975. It wasn't very successful due to low reliability. If I understood right they had problems with the wastegate etc.

http://www.skodateam.cz/Skoda_2000_M...-img_02wwk.jpg
http://www.skodateam.cz/Skoda_2000_M...-img_02xsY.jpg
http://www.skodateam.cz/Skoda_2000_M...-img_02y4w.jpg
http://www.foltyn.cz/car/skoda/s2000mi_5v.jpg

The engine was 2.0 litre OHC I4 from Škoda which was never allowed into production (actually same engine as used in quite rare rally cars Škoda 200RS and 180RS). The capacity was reduced to 1.77 (87x74.5) to keep the car in 2.5 litre class. The compression ratio was 6.8. The turbocharger was KKK with wastegate but without intercooler. The engine had single throttle valve and indirect fuel injection into four air channels just before the cylinder head. It used Schafer fuel pump. The power was 238 Hp at 6000 rpm. Compared to 130 RS here the engine was in front of the rear axle and it was therefore mid-engine car.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

No way FIA will ever allow cheaper cars to be quicker than R5, they just can't let that happen. ;) Also FIA is really not encouraging any drivers to choose GT. The car is almost a group N and the homologation procedure is too complicated and expensive for privateers, on top of that it lasts only up to 2 years (until the end of the year after you homologate the car, if anyone homologates their Porsche now it would last to the end of 2016).

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Yes, I know. FIA would rather kill this sport than make it more accessible :(

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Whatever the history, regarding these refugees from the circuits, I don't understand the fascination.

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Why do you not understand it? Those GT cars look strange on a rally stage, are difficult to drive and have a beautiful engine sound. Do you think that people come to the stages to see boring Ford Fiesta R2 and hear the awful engine sound of Ford Fiesta R5? :)

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Originally Posted by itix

There is an actual lotus Exige R-GT... it appears to have run in Ypres but I have no idea which year. I would love to see that in the R-GT championship!

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It was in 2012. If I remember correctly this Lotus only competed in two rallies - Ypres as a course car and then Rali Vinho da Madeira. It wasn't lucky though. On Madeira Lotus made it only to the 3rd special stage, where it had some technical problem and crashed. This project was probably killed in the same year, which is a shame, because it had manufacturer support and some great drivers were testing the car (including multiple time European Champion Luca Rossetti).

Rali Vinho da Madeira result:
http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_i...a-Madeira-2012

Rali Vinho da Madeira photo:
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/photo...g_1131copy.jpg

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

No way FIA will ever allow cheaper cars to be quicker than R5, they just can't let that happen. ;) Also FIA is really not encouraging any drivers to choose GT. The car is almost a group N and the homologation procedure is too complicated and expensive for privateers, on top of that it lasts only up to 2 years (until the end of the year after you homologate the car, if anyone homologates their Porsche now it would last to the end of 2016).

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RGT needs another push from FIA. Otherwise leading GT rally drivers will not change their national cars into international competition. Homologation cost is expensive but calculable and you need 2 full years of course. And if Snijers can do it, (do we see the car again at Monte?) many other also could do it.

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I don't understand the fascination.

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But many other fans and good drivers with balls do. And sponsors too. So we will see them.

I think Snijers-Ypres was quite a disaster. Although that car was never good..

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That way I'm upset when I hear words like : Pech is lost....no, he is not lost. He will continue his career, thank god on international level (he can drive almost all Czech stages blind...), if the team will approach so methodical to 911 project as they did with Mini (fastest and most reliable Mini RRC in the world!), I'm sure that Vaclav & team is going to have a very bright future...
The only thing what worries me : how will he seat in so small cabin, it will be difficult even to get in the car....

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The only thing what worries me : how will he seat in so small cabin, it will be difficult even to get in the car....

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He is still lucky that it's not Lutus! :)

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Originally Posted by Jarek Z

He is still lucky that it's not Lutus! :)

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Hahaha, a good one Jarek !

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http://www.99t.co.uk/saabs/combi/99t-7.jpg

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Forget the turbo, that's an interesting looking manifold and whatever that red bit qualifies as.