Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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21st October 2009, 08:08
gloomyDAY

Kimi should go to McLaren. They need him more than Kimi needs them. Reason? WCC. Alonso is going to take the title next year, but at least McLaren will have the ability to take the WCC with Lewis and Kimi.

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Originally Posted by christophulus

Sorry, I meant Santander. You're quite right, Vodafone are hanging around as far as I know.

Still, two drivers on £15m a year (I think) is quite a commitment when funds are tight. I reckon McLaren is the best place for Kimi, McLaren surely can't make another dog of a car next year..

I thought Santander were still onboard with McClaren.
21st October 2009, 09:35
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

I think Kimi is asking Mclaren to pay him the same amount of money they pay Lewis, and there is really no reason why Kimi should have a lower salary than Lewis. He doesn't need the money, the amount money they are willing to pay just shows how much they value him and want him.

Kimi chose to leave McLaren. If he wants to return, I don't see him being in a particularly strong position to call the shots.

Best way is to sign him to a performance contract - as in dangle the triple filtered - to make sure he doesn't go off the boil.
21st October 2009, 09:37
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

McClaren.

Your bad

http://www.mclaren.co.uk/

Egg + face?
21st October 2009, 20:15
jens

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

I think Kimi is asking Mclaren to pay him the same amount of money they pay Lewis, and there is really no reason why Kimi should have a lower salary than Lewis. He doesn't need the money, the amount money they are willing to pay just shows how much they value him and want him.

It could be the other way around too - McLaren wants to evaluate, how committed Kimi is to F1 by not paying him a mega-salary. By the way, he gets a lot of money from Ferrari/Santander as compensation anyway, so McLaren's stance of paying "not that much" is completely justified.
22nd October 2009, 06:35
raikk

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Originally Posted by Koz

I am not sure if Toyota is really that bad this season... The drivers don't seem too great.

They have had 5 podiums this year, which is the same as McLaren, and one less than Ferrari - both teams who have "superstar" drivers compared to Trulli and Glock. Surely if Lewis or Kimi were in the Toyota, they would have had equal if not better results?

I'm not so sure about that.. Mclaren came from way behind to become fast in the second half of the season while Toyota have for the most part remained dormant ..Not sure you can give too much credit to Hamilton (but it did help)..The difference between the drivers is not as big of a gap as many would think, it just depends what car your in.
22nd October 2009, 07:37
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by raikk

I'm not so sure about that.. Mclaren came from way behind to become fast in the second half of the season while Toyota have for the most part remained dormant ..Not sure you can give too much credit to Hamilton (but it did help)..The difference between the drivers is not as big of a gap as many would think, it just depends what car your in.

The way I see it is this...

If a relatively average rookie in Kobayashi can come in and do reasonably well against his benchmark - teammate - then the teammate is clearly not that special.

All the teams made vast strides on performance, so Toyota have kept up. Toyota seems to be the Eastbourne of the F1 world, where all the drivers go to finish up their career. Management need to get a proper driver in there. I don't advocate Kimi though, I don't see him keeping his pecker up while the team rebuilds.
22nd October 2009, 07:57
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Toyota seems to be the Eastbourne of the F1 world, where all the drivers go to finish up their career.

:laugh: :laugh:
22nd October 2009, 08:48
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Kimi chose to leave McLaren. If he wants to return, I don't see him being in a particularly strong position to call the shots.

Best way is to sign him to a performance contract - as in dangle the triple filtered - to make sure he doesn't go off the boil.

But my point is it is very hard for Mclaren to explain to Kimi why they would pay him less than Hamilton, since Kimi is a more succesful driver than Hamilton. Promise of equal treatment doesn't sound very trustworthy if they pay him less than the other driver, who, on the basis of statistical evidence, is not any better.

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Originally Posted by jens

It could be the other way around too - McLaren wants to evaluate, how committed Kimi is to F1 by not paying him a mega-salary. By the way, he gets a lot of money from Ferrari/Santander as compensation anyway, so McLaren's stance of paying "not that much" is completely justified.

For the first year I could understand it, but if they do a two-year deal, they have to pay Kimi as much as Lewis in the second year. If they want him that is.
22nd October 2009, 09:26
Koz

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Originally Posted by raikk

I'm not so sure about that.. Mclaren came from way behind to become fast in the second half of the season while Toyota have for the most part remained dormant ..Not sure you can give too much credit to Hamilton (but it did help)..The difference between the drivers is not as big of a gap as many would think, it just depends what car your in.

Both toyota drivers are ahead of Hekki. Glock did not participate in the last two race. And toyota have had back to back podiums.

If drivers aren't that big of a difference, why the huge difference between Kimi and Fisi or Lewis and Heki.
22nd October 2009, 09:36
Koz

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

But my point is it is very hard for Mclaren to explain to Kimi why they would pay him less than Hamilton, since Kimi is a more succesful driver than Hamilton. Promise of equal treatment doesn't sound very trustworthy if they pay him less than the other driver, who, on the basis of statistical evidence, is not any better.

I totally agree. Obviously if there is even a 1c difference then Kimi will be treated as an equal.
But then if you look at the statistics... Lewis is a better driver. Kimi has 3 times more starts than Lewis and only 7 more wins.

But statistics aren't everything and everyone knows the quality that is Kimi Räikkönen.
Now Mclaren and Lewis are a different story, and chances are if he goes back he will play second fiddle to Hamilton - such a driver can't be wasted in this way.

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